News - Everything Everywhere lobbies to speed up UK 4G deployment
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Orange and T-Mobile encourage businesses and consumers to join in.
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Due to the rubbish data limits from T-mobile/Orange and excessive prices for a good package - who gives a flying F about what T-mobile or orange want regarding 4G.
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This writer recommends that firms and consumers do join the 4GBritain campaign, though instead push the government for unchallengeable rights to Ofcom's decision or a pre-emptive and fast-tracked challenge in court to place the entire matter to rest.
Is it just me struggling to follow what's being recommended there?
I can't make out whether that supports the 4GBritain campaign, or something else "instead". Is there a typo, or just strange wording?
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Saracen
Is it just me struggling to follow what's being recommended there? I can't make out whether that supports the 4GBritain campaign, or something else "instead". Is there a typo, or just strange wording?
Yes, it is a bit convoluted wording - I take it as that what is meant is that what 4GBritain is doing is okay on the whole, but wants the O2/Voda nonsense settled quickly.
Actually, although I don't like either O2 or Voda, I think they've perhaps got a point in being miffed if Three are getting any kind of preferential treatment. Can't see a "competition" justification for it, since unless O2/Voda/EE are in some kind of cartel, then there's definitely competition.
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Brewster0101
Due to the rubbish data limits from T-mobile/Orange and excessive prices for a good package - who gives a flying F about what T-mobile or orange want regarding 4G.
Agree that Orange's prices for data are excessive (at least last time I looked), on the other hand T-Mobile always struck me as being pretty okay - not as good a deal as you get with Three, but at least T-Mob isn't shackled with Three's excrescent customer "service".
I think Orange are still aiming for the talker/texter rather than the data user, as are Vodafone, and to a lesser extent O2. That said, the one (and so far only) time I dealt with O2's customer service, they were friendly but pretty ineffectual.
I did a quick survey at the weekend, (because my current contract runs out in two months), and this is what I found in 1 year SIM-only contracts at around the £15/month mark:
Three: £15pm; 600 mins; 3000 texts; unlimited data
T-Mobile: £15.50pm; 300 mins; 5000 texts; 750MB data
Orange: £15.50pm; 600 mins; unlimited texts; 500MB data
O2: £16.50pm; 300 mins; unlimited texts; 500MB data
Vodafone: £15pm; 300 mins; unlimited texts; 500MB data
Remarkably consistent, (as I hope you'd expect given competition), in fact the O2 and Voda packages seem identical barring that extra £1.50 that Orange charges.
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Brewster0101
Due to the rubbish data limits from T-mobile/Orange and excessive prices for a good package - who gives a flying F about what T-mobile or orange want regarding 4G.
lol!! +1 to that Brewster0101. As much as I would love to use 4G as the trial in London http://hexus.net/mobile/news/service-providers/38097-successful-4g-trials-o2-london seems to have shown good results but providers need to loosen their grip on the current data limits and high pricing to make this tech viable for everyday use. I have a 1Gb limit on my current plan which with an average speed of 30Mb/s = 267 seconds of full bandwidth use before my data limit is reached....
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Orange t-mobile really expect 4G to be a success with their data caps?!
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Nzyme32
Orange t-mobile really expect 4G to be a success with their data caps?!
You're assuming that they (Orange) would apply the same caps to the 4G service as the 3G one - if they've got one iota of sense then they won't do that.
From the example I gave above, you can see that T-Mobile have "better" limits. Best is still Three though ... unfortunately.
Can someone explain what the big deal is about 4G (and I'm assuming we're talking LTE)? From what I've heard unless you're into streaming tv it seems like a bit of a waste of time. Kind of like having a 200mph Ferrari and only driving on the UK's 70mph limited roads.
10-20Mb/s is plenty fast enough for me, and I've seen claims that those speeds are possible with "ordinary" 3G.
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crossy
on the other hand T-Mobile always struck me as being pretty okay - not as good a deal as you get with Three, but at least T-Mob isn't shackled with Three's excrescent customer "service".
T-mobile have a terrible reputation on how they treat customers regarding data. Last January they tried to amend everyone's terms and conditions from unlimited data down to 500mb per month - they had to back track after massive backlash by the press/media and customers.
I get 3gb a month with T-mobile at 8.2mbps but I know when that contract is expired I won't be able to keep it.
Their new unlimited data package is not unlimited either and the terms and conditions are dodgy as F%%%.
Three may have poor customer service but they do offer true unlimited, unrestricted data.
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crossy
You're assuming that they (Orange) would apply the same caps to the 4G service as the 3G one - if they've got one iota of sense then they won't do that.
They don't have any sense, you have too much faith.
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Brewster0101
T-mobile have a terrible reputation on how they treat customers regarding data. Last January they tried to amend everyone's terms and conditions from unlimited data down to 500mb per month - they had to back track after massive backlash by the press/media and customers. Three may have poor customer service but they do offer true unlimited, unrestricted data.
I remember that one :) Was amazed that they were stupid enough to think that they could change their side of a contract so markedly and get away with it. Still hopefully they've learned their lesson - don't d1ck with your customers!
Classic example of Three's stupidity. Me: "I got a text saying that I've run out of credit, but I'm on a contract paid by direct debit so how can that be so? And I checked my account and it says I'm nowhere near my limits". Three-droid: "You need to extend your payment limit". I did that for the first three months, and after that just ignored the "you've run out of credit" messages - still doesn't stop them being annoying though.
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Brewster0101
They (Orange) don't have any sense, you have too much faith.
True - I'm just so naive! :rolleyes:
Are there any decent mobile providers? .... Probably not (don't say "Giff Gaff" anyone, because that's O2).
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Brewster0101
Due to the rubbish data limits from T-mobile/Orange and excessive prices for a good package - who gives a flying F about what T-mobile or orange want regarding 4G.
Couldn't agree more.
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crossy
Three: £15pm; 600 mins; 3000 texts; unlimited data
T-Mobile: £15.50pm; 300 mins; 5000 texts; 750MB data
Orange: £15.50pm; 600 mins; unlimited texts; 500MB data
O2: £16.50pm; 300 mins; unlimited texts; 500MB data
Vodafone: £15pm; 300 mins; unlimited texts; 500MB data
That's a really interesting statistic; especially with how close - essentially - the companies are. What's 3's FUP? Surely they must have one.
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Rumoured to be around 80GB. Plus I think the usual clause about disrupting the service for others.
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baius
Couldn't agree more.
That's a really interesting statistic; especially with how close - essentially - the companies are. What's 3's FUP? Surely they must have one.
There's some mention of T&C's for the non-TOP plans at http://blog.three.co.uk/2012/03/07/g...-data-charges/, but the best reference is at http://www.three.co.uk/Smallprint/Te...=1220469566802 which says:
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Does all you can eat data come with any limits? The limit is how much your device can consume – if you were to actively use data or the Internet on your phone every second, of every day, in every month (and we would be worried if you were !!!!) you would, subject to the current traffic management requirements (which vary from time to time), use up to 1000GB per month.
1TB/month is a "limit" that I can easily live with! :D ROFL
That's what's really annoying about Three - ok their coverage isn't the best, (still better than O2 around these parts!), but they're unstintingly generous with the limits and usage (TOP includes tethering as standard, and you can add it to other plans easily). On the other hand, I've found their support to be p**s-poor (including in the stores - my local one is shockingly poor) and the continual niggles (can't phone freephone numbers as standard, incompetence over billing, etc) mean that I'm looking at T-Mobile/Virgin Mobile for my renewal despite those being worse for data provision.
