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Read more.He couldn’t escape the long arm of the Swedish law. Should have gone to Ecuador?
Cool, so now Sweden is coercing other countries into arbitrary extraditions they don't even have treaties with?
I just love the way the west is going.
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directhex (03-09-2012)
You can run but you can't hide (not even in Cambodia!)
Maybe i should quit using Pirate Bay
“His arrest was made at the request of the Swedish government for a crime related to information technology. We don't have an extradition treaty with Sweden but we'll look into our laws and see how we can handle this case.”
Yes, we live in such fear. The guy had a trail, failed to show up for part of it, was found guilty in absentia. The Swedish government asked for the guy to be arrested, the guy in question been a Swedish Citizen. Also I would question the legality of his VISA, on the paperwork for the Cambodian VISA you have to state your convictions, this is relivent because he must have re-issued one, most likely he hopped out to Aranyaprathet. This means he has almost certainly violated the rules of his VISA, assuming he is on a standard tourist/work VISA.
Now what I find even more shocking about your comment is the shocking ignorance it portrays of the level of the life of people who are not in the west. Cambodia is a country which Transparency International ranks at 2.1 out of 10. Or 164th out of only 183 countries.
You know what, I chuffing love the west.
If you want to go live in a place like Cambodia, as an ordinary citizen, not some spoilt western backpacker, then I might take your views as anything other than "Ermgaahds Someone who helped me get free stuff has been legally found guilty, and detained after fleeing his trial, outrage!".
Also:
So? And also do you have any suggestion they where coerced? I'm mean your making it sound as if he hasn't violated any terms of his VISA, which based on my first hand experience of Cambodian paperwork, he has.
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"Pirate Bay co-founder of arrested in Cambodia" What?
mtyson (03-09-2012)
Amen. This one is someone they did have duristiction over who commited a crime in their country,had a chance for a trial and fled. This very different to extraditing someone who is not one of your own citizens who commited a crime (according to you) while in a different country where the event in question may not even have been a crime.“His arrest was made at the request of the Swedish government for a crime related to information technology. We don't have an extradition treaty with Sweden but we'll look into our laws and see how we can handle this case.”
Yes, we live in such fear. The guy had a trail, failed to show up for part of it, was found guilty in absentia. The Swedish government asked for the guy to be arrested, the guy in question been a Swedish Citizen. Also I would question the legality of his VISA, on the paperwork for the Cambodian VISA you have to state your convictions, this is relivent because he must have re-issued one, most likely he hopped out to Aranyaprathet. This means he has almost certainly violated the rules of his VISA, assuming he is on a standard tourist/work VISA.
Now what I find even more shocking about your comment is the shocking ignorance it portrays of the level of the life of people who are not in the west. Cambodia is a country which Transparency International ranks at 2.1 out of 10. Or 164th out of only 183 countries.
You know what, I chuffing love the west.
If you want to go live in a place like Cambodia, as an ordinary citizen, not some spoilt western backpacker, then I might take your views as anything other than "Ermgaahds Someone who helped me get free stuff has been legally found guilty, and detained after fleeing his trial, outrage!".
Also:
So? And also do you have any suggestion they where coerced? I'm mean your making it sound as if he hasn't violated any terms of his VISA, which based on my first hand experience of Cambodian paperwork, he has.
Put yourself in Cambodia's place. There are news stories about a western crackdown on copyright infringement almost daily, there's a convicted copyright infringer hiding in your country, and his home nation issues an international arrest warrant which means you can legally grab him, currying favour with the west at the same time.
I don't think it takes coercion under those circumstances: this is somewhere nearer diplomacy: "We've managed to catch your wanted criminal for you, now let's talk"
Last edited by scaryjim; 03-09-2012 at 11:37 AM.
very fast new's report
Where is there any evidence Sweden are "coercing" Cambodia into anything?
The statements from Cambodian police are that they have arrested him on a "request" from Sweden. Since when is a "request" coercion? Or are you suggesting that Cambodia is so petrified of Sweden that they treat a request as a threat, which seems somewhat at odds with the notion of Ecuador being grossly intimidated by either the UK, to the UK and Sweden, or even the US, Sweden and the US, that they choose to pick a fight over Assange?
What is it about somewhat tried and convicted in a Swedish court, that then fled to Cambodia to escape sentence, that you find so admirable?
Or, perhaps, is it that because it's someone behind a site infringing copyright that you feel they can ignore laws and do as they feel?
Where, so far at least, is there ANY evidence that Cambodia isn't quite happy to hand him over to Sweden, IF they can find legal grounds for doing so?
And this does not need to be an extradition. Warg is a Swedish national. If he is deported by Cambodia, then the standard situation for any deportation, unless circumstances or mutual agreement dictate otherwise, is that they go back to their country of nationality, that being the only country obliged to take a deportee.
So, it's for Cambodia's legal system to do it's thing, and either agree to boot him out, or not, according to their laws. It's perfectly possible that they'd rather get of him, and are actively seeking legal ways to oblige Sweden. There certainly is no evidence, none at all, that I can find of either Sweden or the West seeking to "coerce" Cambodia into doing Jack Squat, or of Cambodia being likely to give in to such coercion.
As for the West it, to paraphrase the statement about democracy, it's the worst place to live, except for just about all the others. It's not perfect by any means, but I'd far rather live in the UK, or Sweden, or the US, (or France, Germany, most of Europe, Scandinavia, Australia or New Zealand, and so on) than a very long list of other places, suffering from either huge economic deprivation (like most of Africa), or far less open regimes (like dictatorships all over the planet) to war-torn hell-holes (wherever the current ones happen to be).
I buy my music on CD. And I can give, or bequeath, those CDs I wish. And so it should be.
TheAnimus (03-09-2012)
It's a shame that people who do the world favours are the ones who get targeted.
And now the bribe is paid: http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-f...mbodia-120905/
Last edited by aidanjt; 06-09-2012 at 01:51 AM.
Yeah, right.
Sweden are so desperate to get him back that they fork over $58m to do it? Yeah, sure they did.
Not only that, but they're so desperate that they started this campaign of "bribing" Cambodia in 1979, when their aid program to Cambodia began on the fall of the Khmer Rouge, and their government agreed this particular phase back in March. Prescient of them, isn't it ... starting an aid program 5 years before Svartholm was even born!
For the record, Swedish aid to Cambodia ....
2009 $27m (SEK 190m)
2010 $25m (SEK 170m)
2011 $28.5m (SEK 200m)
and the $57m deal is for two years, so amounts to about $28.5m per year, which is exactly in line which the last several years, and identical to the 2011 figure.
But of course it's a "bribe" .... 'cos a number of websites, many of whom may well have an agenda, say it is.
Even the torrentfreak link you quote points out ....
Precisely.Of course, with no supporting evidence claims that such a deal exists can be brushed off as pure fantasy
This, is just silly.
It's like watching a creationist argue that evolution isn't real because why are there still monkies.
As Saracen said, this aid has been going on for years.
The guy broke the terms of his VISA.
And also, just one moment, ask yourself why on earth it would cost $57M. Cambodia is not exactly expensive.
In the same way some retarded person doesn't want to see the earth been as more than 6,000 years old, as soon as some curious fact comes along its jumped on as true, rather than investigated.
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All national aid deals are inherently bribery. Country A pays Country B, and so Country B does whatever Country A asks of them, or otherwise lose their bribe money. This year Cambodia (B) got a bonus, right after deporting someone Sweden (A) wanted. When the bribery arrangement started is entirely irrelevant.
Yes, just with *really* convenient timing, and of course, next year nobody will bother remembering to check whether the 'for two years' claim is true or not. Also very convenient.
Appeal to ignorance taken out of context. That headline was referring to *previously no evidence* of bribery, now there is evidence.
You're really bending over backwards to support grossly corrupt authoritarianism here.
i heard they got bruce willis to personally hand over the money
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