News - Demonoid BitTorrent site removed, another one bites the dust

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Originally Posted by Spank

We havent shut any down, but isp's were made to block access to TPB. They had a proxy running within hours so it was a waste of time

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The UK shut Oink down (makes me feel old) by arresting the owner, but the servers were located in the Netherlands IIRC.

Interesting thing, once demonoid moved to Ukraine it wasn't accessible from within the country.

What is interesting, is that this happened after the site was DDoS'd into the ground. Not that I'm drawing any conclusions about their tactics...

http://torrentfreak.com/demonoid-to-...attack-120727/

It is sort of elite... wasn't that easy getting an invite for me at least. They'd also shut down invitations permanently last time I checked.

I considered demonoid one step up from TPB, but certainly wasn't anything special :P

It was expected to be honest. The pressure from the various industries have probably grown too much for Ukraine and thus they have decided to crumple under the strain.
I think that TPB has more redundancy compared to demonoid, they have more strength as well; the adverts can be just plain annoying though (thank God for ADBlock!)

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Originally Posted by Agent

The UK shut Oink down (makes me feel old) by arresting the owner, but the servers were located in the Netherlands IIRC.

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Wasn't that a result of InterPol?

This is good news, fingers crossed it stays dead and doesn't return...

As usual the kinda story re-ignites the privacy/independence/freedom of the internet - but in the same way I would rather Child Pornography websites were shut down, torrent/nzb indexers also don't have a place on the internet.

Sure you will never stop piracy, but you can make it more elitist which will limit the damage it does. Remove access for the vast majority of people (which means stopping torrents and NZBs) will thrust it back to just irc/fxp/XDCC/topsites. Much less dangerous to the incomes of content owners, and to our society.

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Originally Posted by Geist

What is interesting, is that this happened after the site was DDoS'd into the ground. Not that I'm drawing any conclusions about their tactics...

http://torrentfreak.com/demonoid-to-...attack-120727/

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Haha, on a related note I remember that a few weeks before all this went down demonoid was having a "free registration period", where anyone had the ability (including myself, for the purposing of testing this claim) to register on demonoid without the need for an invitation. I know that I have the e-mail confirmation on a throwaway account somewhere in the interwebz....

I guess that this whole Pirates vs. The Law battle is just another arms race, and I would guess that these types of websites would start to move into places like the TOR network to mask where they are located.

Also, we see that whenever TPB comes up with a new IPv4 address, it is blocked, and the cycle continues like a game of whack-a-mole.

However many people note that TPB has an IPv6 subnet, which means that they have, well as somebody noted.

"There are ~7 quintillion grins of sand on earth. TPB has more than twice that many IPv6 addresses. For perspective :)"

This is going to be a frickin' long battle, and I have a feeling that the pirates will win at this rate.

Online distribution is very easy for these people (the industries), the same way it's easy for any random guy to set up a torrent tracker. The fact is they don't want to go there because they have vested interests in the physical world and will lose a lot of money if it died - which it is slowly anyway. This should be obvious proof that they never cared for the artists or the customers. Artists and developers are suffering BECAUSE they are trying hard to slow down the shift in where the industries are going. So don't call customers; pirates, you sound like an arse.

Now that prices are valued properly, people are benefiting from not paying insane prices. Though now everytime some thing doesn't do well it's blamed on piracy. All this hype of failing movies because of piracy and then at the same time, blockbuster movies like avatar, avengers, dark knight, etc, etc are breaking records. Music industry is the same. Content needs to be liked before money is thrown at it and the industry doesn't like that.

So next time you moan about "pirates" and then go out and buy a game, movie or album and find the price "just right", how about you send a donation to the artist directly for the rest of the price you would have paid 10-15 years ago and while you're at it, send a thank you to the pirate bay.

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Originally Posted by Spud1

This is good news, fingers crossed it stays dead and doesn't return...

As usual the kinda story re-ignites the privacy/independence/freedom of the internet - but in the same way I would rather Child Pornography websites were shut down, torrent/nzb indexers also don't have a place on the internet.

Sure you will never stop piracy, but you can make it more elitist which will limit the damage it does. Remove access for the vast majority of people (which means stopping torrents and NZBs) will thrust it back to just irc/fxp/XDCC/topsites. Much less dangerous to the incomes of content owners, and to our society.

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Completely ignoring of course that there are legitimate uses for torrents.

Torrents DO have a place on the internet, as they allow a way for diminishing downloads from the initial source over time as the swarm grows. It can be used for legal distribution (and is, by many parties), but the nature of it obviously makes it popular for other uses. Do not conflate it with Child Pornography.

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Originally Posted by Savas

Now that prices are valued properly, people are benefiting from not paying insane prices.

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Wait, when did this happen?

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Originally Posted by Topperfalkon

Do not conflate it with Child Pornography.

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Big content loves child porn, it's the best strawman card in their deck.

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Originally Posted by Topperfalkon

Completely ignoring of course that there are legitimate uses for torrents.

Torrents DO have a place on the internet, as they allow a way for diminishing downloads from the initial source over time as the swarm grows. It can be used for legal distribution (and is, by many parties), but the nature of it obviously makes it popular for other uses. Do not conflate it with Child Pornography.

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Torrents yes, of course. Linux distros are a prime example.

The key thing is that these websites in particular are purely there for illegal means - it's obvious and they should about it. If they were sites aimed at legal torrents there would be no problem.

Note again that I have no problem with torrents a technology (it's great) but purely with the illegal, immoral use. My complaint/issue is regarding these immoral idiots who run websites dedicated to illegal distribution of content.

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Originally Posted by Spud1

The key thing is that these websites in particular are purely there for illegal means - it's obvious and they should about it. If they were sites aimed at legal torrents there would be no problem.

Note again that I have no problem with torrents a technology (it's great) but purely with the illegal, immoral use. My complaint/issue is regarding these immoral idiots who run websites dedicated to illegal distribution of content.

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They're not there purely dedicated to illegal distribution of content, they're merely indifferent/non-discriminating, which is how the internet is meant to function. Sites like isoHunt even have a DMCA take-down mechanism, despite being hosted and run from Canada, and thus not under US law requiring them to institute any kind of take-down mechanism without a court order, despite big content's well recorded predilection for abusing DMCA take-down notices to lay claim to content not even their own, even public domain works, and censoring dissent against them. Frankly, their privilege is blatantly showing at this point.

The IP nonsense has gone way too far.

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Originally Posted by aidanjt

They're not there purely dedicated to illegal distribution of content, they're merely indifferent/non-discriminating

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Rubbish, that's like saying that a Bookshop that has 10000 books on "how to be a terrorist" and 10 books on "how to grow tomatoes" is 100% legit and indifferent because they have 10 books on Tomatoes. Or I suppose the same analogy but with a software shop instead, if you want pure like for like as software is licenced rather than sold in 99% of cases. You get my point though.

Even the names..."The Pirate Bay", "ISOHunt" and so on..ok so those are just two examples but its blatently obvious what they are there for.

It's a fine line between destroying the internet and protecting copywrite holders (and I agree this should be done within the realms of the law, and much of the activity from the US organisations has gone against this completely and is wrong in it's own way!), you will not get an argument on that one from me, but copywrite holders have a right to protect their work, their investment, their livelyhoods, thats a simple human right. If you disagree with that then try making your own creative work (Which is your only income in life) and then watch as millions of people enjoy your thousand hour piece of work, without paying you a penny.

Then try and tell me again that "This IP nonsense has gone way too far".

I feel so sorry for the multi-millionaire's artest's who are losing their livelyhoods and million doller houses because people are not buying buying their songs.... oh wait, they still buying them and still making millions per year.

Silly me.