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Hahahahahahaha - that makes me laugh. Apple are experiencing some real falls from grace here, especially if it's a design "issue"
There's only so many times they can whack on a slightly better camera.
aaaaaaahahahaha! Love it :D
I seriously doubt this. It would totally devalue the Apple brand and really annoy their customers.
"Not up to scratch" Lol!
I doubt this as well.
Unless they came in with a bigger screen as well how could they justify it? Or is speculation to do with A6x chip they will be bringing out?
Would be like kinda announcing a new iPad when the 'old one' was only a few months old... Wouldn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringent
"The same Chinese news source also indicated that Apple TV and a new version of one of the iPad family will be out in the same time-frame as the iPhone 5S."
So an iPad Mini with Retina then? Or iPad mini with current display but same hardware as the newnew iPad? Unlikely to be both, they need to keep something on hand to add on for 6 months later :P
They did similar with IPad 3(new ipad) and Ipad 4(new new ipad) That was about 6 months between release dates so its not as if they havent done this kind of thing before.
Plus to say it will annoy the apple customers I think that if telling them they dont know how to hold a phone correctly didnt piss them off then a new phone coming out after 6 months is unlikely to cause them to cry too much.
I thought only that upstart Android platform had short life cycles for their phones and tablets!! ;)
Agreed, with the behaviour of the company I would never recommend, or purchase, one of their products myself but none of that seems to bother their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by kopite
Maybe we are the weird ones for caring how a company acts...
Yep. Although from one perspective they had to do it to bring the new connector across their line of products and bring the chip up to a similar speed with the iPhone 5. I counted that as annoying and maybe a one off with a return to a 'yearly' cycle of their products. If they were to release a new iPhone, 6-8 months down the line it would annoy (need a stronger family friendly word) a lot more people.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
However if they need to do something, add a Retina iPad Mini ...
They're trying to catch up with Chrome 23, Firefox 16, Opera 12 and IE10.
Not sure how this will do Apple any favours. Apple fan boys who just got the 5 will be mega cheesed off - more than they were already with buying a piece of rubbish in the first place!!..:-)
This will tear a deeper gap between Apple and its customers...
This is typical Apple and why i hate them with a passion.
There should be no Iphone 5S, there should have never been a 4S or a 3S. this is pure money making by Apple. The S version of each phone should have been the first release not the second.
I don't understand your attitude. Why shouldn't there be new phones? They're not forcing you to buy them, and they're not stopping your existing phone from working.Quote:
Originally Posted by deejayburnout
Of course they are trying to make money by releasing new products. That's what companies do.
New iPad (3) --> iPad 4th Gen in not much more than 6 months wasn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringent
They have form!
Got to LOL though, couldn't happen to a smugger bunch of gits.
Upside of course is those trying to pick up iPhone for cheap on the secondhand market will get a good price.
i have to agree with you on this one. If Samsung and Co can release phones every few months, why can't Apple?. Do Samsung users change phones every few months??? unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Your not forced to upgrade every 6 months or so and it is afterall a private company not a charity, they have to move with the times and if that means more phones then so be it.
Everyone has their reasons to like or hate Apple, good for you but if you always take a one sided view on things that is very naive and narrow minded.
The article is also rumours and not based on any solid facts. If I believed every rumour, Manchester United would have Lionel Messi and Christiano Ronaldo by now.
When I saw the iPhone 5 launch, I couldn't help feeling that Apple had plateaued out and didn't have a innovative response to the competition. Now after the "iPad 4/iPad spec bump", Apple appear to be thinking this themselves and this "iPhone 5S" rumour could easily be true, in my mind.
After the iPhone 5 launch, a number of analysts were predicting iPhone 5 sales to be higher than the actual sales:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-targets.html . Looks like the Apple marketing can influence even these people!
Actually a lot of that prediction might have been correct.
There is currently a massive waiting list for the iPhone 5, its sold out all over the place, apparently due to issues in manafacture they just can't simply make enough.
I think my head has been in the sand to much over the 'scratch gate' and the fact it's anodized aluminium. They must be doing something seriously wrong (perhaps they've got the thickness to substrate ratio all wrong). As AA is in general much tougher than bare alu and most other paints!
Maybe their skimping and trying to increase profit marginsQuote:
Originally Posted by keithwalton
I think the problem is that as Apple releases far fewer devices this is a subtle way of saying that they actually messed up with the iPhone 5. A quick word with a friend of mine in the mobile business seems to point to Apple actually making a design that is quite hard to put together without getting scratches and nicks in the casing and they are having yield problems in other areas too. Re: Samsung and others they tend to release far more designs, but cover the whole of the market so overlapping products is less of a problem. The iPhone is pitched as the best device, so the people who care will be fed up if a new one comes out within 6 months as they will have to upgrade to keep their status as the owner of the latest and greatest. Putting aside any sentiments of which phone is the best and other prejudices means it just adds fuel to the argument of Apple not getting this launch right. For whatever reason this marks a serious flaw in Apples strategy which has been pretty much spot on previously...
Shame really, their Iphone 4 was really innovative, went down hill after that
what da!!! already - thank god i am no isheep.
They'll just put the A6 processor in from the iPad 4 and change the case to one that doesn't scratch as easily.
But really, who did the validation of that case design and missed how easily it scratches?
Yes, I suppuse I should of just looked at the apple store 2-3 week delay for iPhone delivery! There are other things though, like the apple share price fell from $700 after the iPhone 5 launch to $529 today, which like you say, could be the manufacture aspect coming in play, aswell as all that ligitation with Samsung etc.. I can't help feeling there is more to it. Well shares being shares, apple could be at $1000 in a matter of months or years, so maybe it is just a hunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
The iPhone 5 already has the A6 CPU, the iPads have the A6X which has better graphics processing required for the larger Retina display.Quote:
Originally Posted by squirrelz
If they do do this, then Apple better be prepared for a bigger backlash. But I'm going to reain skeptical about the whole thing for now. The only plausible explanation is that is is the iPhone 5S, and they are mass producing it now so that they can meet demand. But that sounds far fetched.
Since Steve passed away, it seems that Apple (Tim Cook) has really taken a turn for the worst. New iPad 7 months after the iPad 3, iPad mini & lack of innovation on the iPhone 5.
Not only that but they seem a bit like a schooner waiting for the wind before choosing their direction. Botched launches etc. wouldn't have happened like this beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Loxick
By all means release new phones. All the other companies produce handsets of varying spec/quality to cater for all tastes. Nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
One of the things that I hate is they extortionate prices Apple will charge you for a device.
£549 for a PAYG 16GB version, £619 for a PAYG 32GB version and £719 for a PAYG 64GB version
They charge you £60 for a larger memory chip that will cost no more to install it and the cost of the chip will be pennies to them. To me profiteering.
And who on the blue hell would spend £700 on a mobile phone.
Apple care about money, that is it.
What about the new lightning connector? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't every other phone maker sign an agreement so they all use micro USB as standard to reduce all the chargers going to landfill and to keep costs down with devices. Apple make there own connector and don't let anyone but themselves make them buy putting a chip in it to prevent copies. And if you want to use your new Iphone 5 phone on a older dock/base you need to buy an adaptor that cost £20 and they don't even chuck one in the new box.
Money grabbing if you ask me.
All ways to screw you the user out of cash, and line there pockets.
and I haven't even touched on the ethics of the company with how they treat workers or sue everyone they can.
Apple can ram there products up the own behind.
Oh and
RANT OVER.
Burn that heretic quick for daring to challenge the Apple people...
:)
Go look up what profiteering means. Then think about how necessary a luxury item like a smart phone is. Then think about whether there are any other smart phones you can buy from someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by deejayburnout
Actually no, they are a public company, so they care about what their stakeholders ask them to care about. As we are a capitalist world, most stakeholders care about money. Apple are not a charity, nor a government funded organisation. If you want that to change then you're welcome to become a stakeholder yourself.Quote:
Apple care about money, that is it.
*their *theirQuote:
Apple can ram there products up the own behind.
And I'm sure they can, but why would they? You can just walk on by.
'Go look up what profiteering means. Then think about how necessary a luxury item like a smart phone is. Then think about whether there are any other smart phones you can buy from someone else.'
- A little patronising don't you think? Regardless of what profiteering means I think you and anyone else reading understood what he meant.
'Actually no, they are a public company, so they care about what their stakeholders ask them to care about. As we are a capitalist world, most stakeholders care about money. Apple are not a charity, nor a government funded organisation. If you want that to change then you're welcome to become a stakeholder yourself.'
- Again, patronising but also incorrect. We are a capitalist society, not world (or more specifically a society with a capitalist economic system). Also there are plenty of public companies who try to act responsibly with regard to their employees, customers, the enviroment and their stakeholders. Being a public company does not preclude them from acting ethically.
Fair point. I should have used Madonna lyrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by george1979
If that's what their stakeholders want them to do then sure. See my other point. If you want to influence the stakeholders then act in a way that they care about - if they're interested in making money then give them money when they do something you like, and give money to a competitor instead when they do something you don't like. Hence my 'walk on by' comment. Ranting at or about them does nothing, and incorrect accusations of profiteering doesn't help anyone.Quote:
Also there are plenty of public companies who try to act responsibly with regard to their employees, customers, the enviroment and their stakeholders. Being a public company does not preclude them from acting ethically.
Like a Virgin?Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
I think they only offer the Galaxy 3...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smudger
Actually,one of the arguments against Android high end phones and tablets by Apple fans,has been the fact that they have "short" lifespans when compared to what Apple makes.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
So,it is quite amusing that Apple has started to release updates much quicker! ;)
[QUOTE=kalniel;8287]Fair point. I should have used Madonna lyrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by george1979
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Lol that would have been funny. On the downside I can't get that song out of my mind now... So thanks for that... ;)
kalniel answered some of the things I was going to reply to in that rant, so I'll just mention other things.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...roup-says.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by deejayburnout
There are also a couple of news on worker conditions two months ago. Not that two wrongs make a right, but it's not an uncommon issue with companies that deals with manufacturing on a massive scale.
But I don't know what all the rant has to do with the original statement anyway. That statement is akin to saying that there should be no Galaxy S2 and the S3 should've been the S2.
People aren't obliged to upgrade, I stuck to my iPhone 2G until less than 3 weeks ago. Of course I want the product I buy to be 100 times better than it's predecessor in all measurement, and remain the best for the next decade. Now back to reality. Release too slowly, and naysayers will point out that the device is "obsolete" 6 months down the line when a competitor release something faster (or a bigger screen, or the next generation of mobile phone mobile communications standards etc.). Release something too quickly and you risk buyers complaining that their device they bought six months ago is "obsolete" because the new one is a little better. Worse yet, if it is a whole lot better in which case they'll say that it is the device that should've been released in the first place as they now think that they could've waited the time of the new one.
Bottom line, there is no way to please everyone at the same time. The best thing you can do, is to either buy something cheap enough so that you don't care if it is "overtaken" tomorrow by another device, or stick with it until the next upgrade is such a quantum leap that.. frankly you wouldn't care that much if it something a little better is released soon after.
Back to the news, I'll believe it when I see it (but if I was to bet, I would say this rumour is bollocks).
Wow, yet another Apple thread descends into "All Apple users are n00bs", well there's a surprise.
I've got an iPhone 4S and I have absolutely no intention of upgrading any time soon. It does what I want it to do and I see no value in upgrading for a slightly larger screen.
I bought it offline and stuck in my own SIM, so ended up paying around £600 for it, but then I don't get hit by massive mobile bills every month and I get virtually unlimited data, minutes and texts. I guess most people who want a high end device won't want to front load the cost like I do and will end up paying £50+/month for whatever device they use.