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    News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Doesn't believe the government should have the powers to invade net privacy.
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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    *sigh*

    Data retention was the thin edge of the wedge. And now for the sledgehammer. And then the alarmist nonsense, 'paedophiles, terrorism, 9/11, terrorism!'. Excuse me while I hurl in a bucket.

    The sooner these authoritarian thugs are out the better.
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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    The sooner these authoritarian thugs are out the better.
    And the alternative authoritarian thugs are better because?

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    I'm all for it, as long as it's ONLY used to target pedos and bin ladens.

    Unfortunately, we all know it will get abused along with every other power that gets granted to law officials
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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    And the alternative authoritarian thugs are better because?
    Quite

    It appears that having liberties is not something thats wanted.

    Despite the fact the hardened criminals these laws are ment to be against will not be touched.
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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    The home office has no idea on how to do their job. Theresa May is the wrong person for the job.

    Nick Clegg's party may have tripped up in the last two years but I would like to see them in power next time - give them a chance and see what happens.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    And the alternative authoritarian thugs are better because?
    They aren't. Stop installing authoritarians in power.
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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    I like the idea of lightly encrypting* EVERYTHING going to/from people's PCs. The authorities are free to record all the traffic if they wish and it would be available if ever needed for prosecutions etc. However, the sheer volume of encrypted traffic and the associated computing resources required to decrpypt it would force the authorities to use only targeted snooping - i.e. the average citizen would not need to be concerned about it.

    *a periodic review of the strength of this encryption would be required to keep it at a practical level given the ongoing 'improvement' in computing power and decryption.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    They aren't. Stop installing authoritarians in power.
    No-one else wants to be in power.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    It doesn't matter who's in power. The security forces will put this kind of stuff forward as a "good idea" but all they want is to not have to jump through hoops to get the info the think they need. Meanwhile Joe average suffers.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Im curious as to why we should care about what Nick Clegg has to say when David Cameron, his supposed coalition colleague, doesn't give a damn.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Didn't something like this get thrown out a few years ago?

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Knowing Clegg he'll soon go back on his principles, which is a shame.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MustardCutter View Post
    Knowing Clegg he'll soon go back on his principles, which is a shame.
    It is called compromise. All coalition governments do it. If we didn't have that level of compromise the nutty right of the Tories could well be pushing through a lot more extreme stuff. Ranting aside, this government seems quite OK with abandoning stuff if there is popular unrest about it. I'd rather see them backtrack than arrogantly ploughing on with a macho always-right attitude.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    There's compromise and there's giving in. The lib dems appear to be doing more giving in than compromising.

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    Re: News - Nick Clegg against dangerous draft Communications Data Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    (The sooner these authoritarian thugs are out the better.) They aren't. Stop installing authoritarians in power.
    Kind of difficult to find someone who wants power who isn't also an authoritarian.
    Quote Originally Posted by MustardCutter View Post
    There's compromise and there's giving in. The lib dems appear to be doing more giving in than compromising.
    Aye, we hear a lot how Clegg and co are "liberalising" Cameron's frothing-at-the-mouth rich boys club - I've yet to see any real impact though. Only one who seems to be pulling his weight is Vince Cable - and I'm sure he'll be out in the next reshuffle. Pal of mine quipped that politicians were like washing powder - you could have "Original" Tory or new "Lemon-scented" one.

    What I fail to understand is why this new stuff is actually needed - surely the police etc can do their "fishing" now, but they have to get their "fishing license" assessed by a judge. Which seems, to me at least, to be a proper British safeguard. From what little I've heard this bill seems to be giving carte blanche to look at any traffic's source/destination with no oversight, and it's only if they want to start browser/email snooping that they've got to get a warrant.

    If that is the case, then surely it'd be a better use of everyone's time to just be able to speed up the warrant application process - like employing more judges perhaps. As it stands (based on my admitted limited understanding) this bill just seems to be moving us towards repressive regimes like Syria, Iran, Burma ...

    Got to wonder where this is heading, are we going to see demonstrations in Beijing protesting about the lack of human rights in the UK?

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