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    News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    From that date Messenger client signing in will start to be restricted.
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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Because when you've two competeting technologies, you should never allow the users to choose the one they want.
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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Official Skype blog’s list of Skype advantages:

    Instant message conversation history
    The ability to edit and remove instant messages
    Being able to share files and contact information
    Video calling and instant messaging with Facebook friends
    Group video calling
    It's slightly naughty because - according to what I've just read - Group call is a "premium" feature so after you've used up your complimentary 20 credit then you'll have to pay for it.

    Apart from the upsell that seems to be going on in the clients, (and a worrying lack of any "Privacy" controls - so if I put in my home phone number is that limited to my contacts or can anyone see that?), I'm generally positive about this. Remember that in addition to supporting Android, Skype also supports quite a few Linux distro's - so well done Microsoft for migrating to something that's at least claiming cross platform credentials.

    Plus £3/month for the Premium account isn't that bad if you're one of those social butterflies that can really make use of the extra credits and features. I'm not, so I'll be staying with the free services. Although the screen sharing might be a nice feature for those "this isn't working" support calls from family!

    Then again, I didn't really use LM much - mainly because it was pretty much a Windows-only thing, and I tend to use Linux (/Android) a heck of a lot more. Maybe the migration to Skype will change that and make me more "connected".
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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Where's the tutorial that shows you how to stop Skype using your PC as a Supernode, Microsoft?

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    And now for some disadvantages:

    . No LAN file sharing
    . Only a single chat window at a time - EDIT: Seems compact view does allow this
    . No games - really enjoyed multiplayer minesweeper
    . Poor interface for chatting to multiple people, 'Recent' tab has to be shown all the time meaning you often miss other people who have signed in.
    . No grouping of contacts - EDIT: Custom lists are available from the 'Contacts' file menu
    . When I used Video chat with one person, it meant I was unable to chat to someone else as when I went to click on another person it wanted to end my video chat
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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by YenRug View Post
    Where's the tutorial that shows you how to stop Skype using your PC as a Supernode, Microsoft?
    Does https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/twiki/view/C...eConfiguration still work?

    I've also read around that trying to use Skype on a NAT'd network (which let's face it is most home broardband setups these days) is also a way to apply kyptonite to that supernode status.

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Now, just waiting for someone to release a Messenger skin for Skype!

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Because when you've two competeting technologies, you should never allow the users to choose the one they want.
    Letting you customers choose isn't the best option, it's a downright daft in many cases because there will inevitably be a split preference necessitating two parallel and incompatible systems (thus limiting customer interaction) and/or inertia from the "I'm a luddite so I won't change until I have to no matter how better the alternatives are" crowd. The customer does not always know best (often because they don't even attempt to know best) and sometimes they need a nudge...

    Combining the best features of both systems and doing an orderly, quick and simple migration is far better for the current customer, for Microsoft and for future customers who might otherwise face an annoying choice between systems.

    Problem here is that not all the good features of Messenger have made it into the Skype client yet, what bugs me the most is that the message pane in Skype remains stupidly narrow no matter how big I make the parent window. The other annoying thing is that Skype chat pretty much requires the official Skype client, little scope for alternatives or multi-protocol clients.

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Now, just waiting for someone to release a Messenger skin for Skype!
    I used Messenger Plus with MSN Messenger and the addon features were extremely useful, it kind of completed the product in a way. The same team behind this addon have made Skype Plus. But it is awful, it really adds no decent features at all, I uninstalled it fairly quickly. EDIT Just found this website http://shop.skype.com/apps/Search-Re...sort=downloads

    The biggest problem with this size of application by Microsoft is that once the hype dies down upgrades will be few and far between. New features for MSN Messenger took ages to be released, and meant the application was left far behind its rivals. Messenger Plus is what made me continue to use it for so long.
    It takes a whole new operating system for the likes of Media Player and Movie Maker to get any sense of new features or functionality, by which time people have bought or found something far better.


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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by YenRug View Post
    Where's the tutorial that shows you how to stop Skype using your PC as a Supernode, Microsoft?
    Does https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/twiki/view/C...eConfiguration still work?

    I've also read around that trying to use Skype on a NAT'd network (which let's face it is most home broardband setups these days) is also a way to apply kyptonite to that supernode status.
    I know there are solutions out there, I was kind of pointing the question in MS's direction, seeing as how they seem to be providing tutorials to show you how Skype is, apparently, "better".

    There's also the slight problem that Skype is banned in our company, whilst Messenger isn't, thanks to Skype's Supernode taking over our corporate bandwidth.

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    I'm pretty sure the whole SuperNode thing is rather old news: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012...-by-microsoft/

    We have an office full of Skype users and I've not noticed a problem yet with becoming a SuperNode.

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle View Post
    I'm pretty sure the whole SuperNode thing is rather old news: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012...-by-microsoft/

    We have an office full of Skype users and I've not noticed a problem yet with becoming a SuperNode.
    I can't remember when the ban came in, but it probably was just before that changeover was implemented; still doesn't change the fact that it's banned, though, just means our IT department aren't aware of it.

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by YenRug View Post
    I can't remember when the ban came in, but it probably was just before that changeover was implemented; still doesn't change the fact that it's banned, though, just means our IT department aren't aware of it.
    Too much of a tinfoil hat stops you finding out when the threat is over...!

    Besides that they're obviously a bit amateur, there is/was a perfectly good Group Policy Template to control that behaviour in Skype anyway.

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Discovered oovoo thanks for BBC click - seems to work very well on Android and Windows , much better than skype...

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster0101 View Post
    Discovered oovoo thanks for BBC click - seems to work very well on Android and Windows , much better than skype...
    Yep, saw that programme too. Actually quite a fan of Click - good coverage whilst resisting the temptation to dumb down to "oooh, look at the new shiny, shiny". Presumably the latter will get it cancelled in due course.

    Main problem I've got with ooVoo is that there's no Linux support - whereas Skype does. Although it'd be interesting to see how Wine compatible it is.

    Other than that it looks pretty neat - I particularly like how they offer a discount for paying a year up front. And at least - unlike Skype - they're also up front about their Privacy controls ... something that's giving me cause for concern with Skype.

    The screen sharing aspect is probably important enough for me to consider ponying up $60/year to get two premium accounts - one for me and one for my relatives (so no frustrating phone calls trying to get an elderly relative to describe what's on screen).

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    Re: News - Messenger to Skype migration will start on 8th April

    Urgh if there was ever an incentive to setup a personal Lync server on amazon EC2, this is it.

    I genuinely tried switching to the skype client, but it's just so horrible to use compared to the "real" msn client, it's not something I want to be forced in to.

    Simple things like the default action when you double click being to call rather than message (I know you can customise this), or the complete lack of a "show what I'm listening to" feature (which is a great way to find new music when at the office! - we use MSN to communicate internally).

    I won't even mention the bloat, increased network usage or other purely technical problems with skype

    Stupid stupid move my microsoft to force us to use the skype client - fair enough merge the networks but very frustrating to be forced. But now I am just ranting, annoyed at the downward spiral Microsoft have been taking over the past few years

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