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I think this result is a disaster for Nokia and signals the end.
They have no plans for a new high end phone this year - while Samsung, HTC and Apple are all marching forward with new devices every twelve months.
Nokia have literally put all their eggs in the basket with the 920 and 820 and the numbers show people are not that interested.
Did you read the bit about the July launch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewster0101
I'm guessing that would qualify as 'high end' right?
The S4 is an odd one as the only new features I saw there are directly relating to software... Except for the IR LED, that is cool.
What actually is there to do on phones but innovate on software. We're at the stage where the screens are good, the processors fast, the storage fast, the networks a massive bottleneck but that's outside their control.
Battery Life? Well people say that want that. I get a lot more from my 920 than I do the S3 or when I had an iPhone. But it is heavy, people criticise it for being heavy. Basically consumers have voted with their wallet, they don't want battery life.
As a result getting their latest and greatest pureview technology out would be a good idea. It would also be unrivaled by anything else, the 808 is still the best phone camera, by miles. If they've been able to optically stabilise that shizzle, then woh, I'll buy one.
The thing is on this Q last year, sales are up on the high margin devices, its in some ways promising. If they keep that trend going this year, they will be in a much better place come 2014.
There are no specs, designs or images of such a device (albeit confirmed). The FT in London seems to be the only place sporting this rumour. I would say that if this was a new flag ship model for Nokia they would have given the public a glimps. I think this will be like the 808, mid range phone with high end camera.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
1080P screen, bigger screen, new octo core CPU (in some countries)all seem big new features.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
Really? The only one that is big is the screen. I doubt that the octo core will make it more snappy. But as is I think everyones phone is slowed mostly by the network. If people wanted a phone that felt fast they wouldn't be on Android anyway, seriously, my relegated to testing only Omnia7 is far faster than the S3 for anything but web browsing or task switching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewster0101
Why would anyone pay £400 for it, if they had a S3.
I also doubt anyone gives a hoot about 1080p.
The thing that mattered for Samsung is it had a device which looked good, ticked the geek tick boxes and was cheap. Operators got good subsidies and it sold like hot cakes.
I only mentioned the rumor because it's not really fair to say "well samsung have a S4 out now", because the 920 was released about 6 months after the S3. I don't see how they need to announce a phone now, to compete with the S4. The S4 is using software things which I don't think people will understand. Short of some very good sales displays.
I would guess the S4 won't even sell as well as the S3 did.
Please show me where there is an option to purchase any top end device with greater battery life... the market simply doesn't have that option so it couldn't possibly have chosen to have less battery life.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
The Motorola RAZR Maxx is the only smart phone that has an extended battery I can find. 1 phone with an extended battery does not provide the market with the luxury of choice you seem to afford it with regards to battery life.
There is however a company that survives solely on the sale of extended battery replacements for phones, often with bulging cases to accommodate them. How do you explain the survival of such a company if the market doesn't really want extended battery life? Mugen batteries are good but they will make your phone heavier and uglier to accommodate the really large options but they sell.
Look at reviews of the 920. Despite it's battery life been stellar, camera second only to the 808, people complain about the mass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxvayl
Myself I would like a phone that weighed another 80g of battery at least!
IR LEDs used to be common on phones back in the day, my old Nokia N900 had one and could act as a universal remote, the only shame was the crap software, if Logitech made their Harmony platform into an app for IR toting phones they should do very well. It's not a "new" feature it's just one that's been dredged up to do the rounds again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewster01011080P screen, bigger screen, new octo core CPU (in some countries)all seem big new features.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
The new hardware is just incremental upgrades, nice ones, of debatable usefulness but nice. The pixels at that size are so small a good quality 720p screen would probably be more benefit than the high PPI for example. Screen size is all about personal preference... I find >5" is just too big to use comfortably one handed.
I have to agree most of Samsung's "new" stuff is in their software, the problem is it all sounds like the gimmicky crap that you use once and then have to turn off because it's a bit flaky or does things unexpectedly. At least Samsung and Nokia and others are trying to push boundaries though unlike some who like to rest on their arrogant laurels too much *cough*Apple*cough*.
Yet the 920 sold better than expected according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Lumia_920#SalesQuote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
I expect some people to be happy with what they have at the moment, they've gotten used to the low battery life but that doesn't indicate that the market would reject longer battery life phones. The 920 sold well and from what I can tell the RAZR Maxx did as well so we probably aren't in the minority.
I'm a happy S3 owner and I'm going to say "big whoop" on all of those "features" - 1080p screen's only really useful if you watch a lot of video. Bigger screen can be a mixed blessing - see kingpotnoodle's quote below - it's not just me. And I've yet to see anything that can push the quad core on the S3/Note 10.1 never mind adding another four cores. Not having a go at you - no, instead I'm bitching at Samsung for going all "incremental" again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewster0101
If a single core Omnia is "far faster" than an S3 then there's something seriously amiss with that S3. Some could argue that the S4 was launched to take on the iPhone5 and the 920. ;) And yes, I'm going to agree - I don't think the S4 will be the runaway success that the S3 was.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
Ditto - my S3 is too bl**dy light. I'd gladly swap that thinness/lightness for more battery life. Damn you Apple with your continual focus on "thinner=better".Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
S3's screen is good enough for me, the old Note was just too big for extended comfort. And yes, a lot of the unique stuff in the S4, (and probably a lot in the S3), is just gimmickry. Then again - jumping to Samsung's defence - those gimmick features do seem to be getting better with every software revision - e.g. S-Voice is almost usable now, but SmartStay is still a waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle
As a self-confessed Nokia fan, the only thing that put me off about the Lumia's was the OS ... there's just still too many "workarounds" and uncertainty for me to be comfortable in switching to it. Maybe Nokia would be better focussing on the low to midrange market instead of the high-end where competition is very fierce. Not that I'm necessarily saying that the 920 isn't capable of punching it's weight with the S3/S4's and iPhone5's - but I suspect that a 920 owner is always going to be on the defensive in that company.
No its only general stuff thats faster, things that actually use CPU are obviously slower, ie web surfing or complex games. This is entirely due to the OS, the cheats they use. I don't want to name certain apps, as often they are indie, but they take longer to open from cold. The main things like email and texts are considerably slower on the S3.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossy
Hah, well I'm lucky enough in a way, I have a 920 an S3 an a few others in my testing drawer! Interestingly I only have an iPad2, I find that *good enough* for testing everything upto an iPhone5. But no one has paid me to do anything on that yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossy
If anybody went into a shop today to try and buy a smart phone though, I really really doubt any salesman would point you to Nokia. My experiences recently is that you'd get pointed to Samsung first, Apple second then HTC/Sony etc. with Nokia quite far behind. I've been saying for years now that all this is too little too late for Nokia. Dumbphone sales down, of course they are, but other manufacturers are still selling boatloads of dumbphones. Asha sales down, again others are not struggling. Lumia sales of just over 5 million - S4 presales are in the order of 25 million world wide. I was looking at a phone for a female mate and was actually told in a few shops that Nokia are history, if that's how they are perceived then they will be history
That would be a shame; I'm using a 620 at the moment (I like cheap-ish non-contract smartphones) and so far it's been a great device. I'm getting a 920 for a director here after having shown him WP8 and had a very positive response. Personally, I think Nokia are producing really good devices at the moment, and I would hate to lose them.
I don't think they're bad...but I don't think they're great either, in a nutshell that is Nokia's problem. People choose Samsung over Nokia nearly every time...
Perhaps, but I really don't get why; in general, the Lumias I've seen have been better made, WP8 is at least as user-friendly as, if not more so than, Android, even after that's been skinned and customised by Samsung/HTC/whoever. Incidentally, the 920's just pitched up, and I'm still impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
Simple, public perception of Samsung is so much better. Nokia DO NOT excite anybody anymore...
True, but how long will that last. If you'd said to someone that Samsung would be beating Apple in 2009 you'd have been laughed at.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
If Nokia get the 808's camera working in a WP, that would be a really good halo product. Heck I'd probably buy one just because I hate not having my DSLR with me.
However, getting that kind of silicon processing working on WP might well be an expensive challenge.
But what other innovations are people expecting this year?
Oh yes, of course it might not last. But as cycles go, I guess they have 3 or so years in them.
Samsung's been better at "getting out there" - they've got so many phones that you can't help but to be aware of the brand. Nokia, on the other hand, are pretty much an unknown quantity to anyone but dinosaurs like me who remember them in their heyday. Maybe they need to make more of their PR opportunities like the use on shows such as Hawaii Five-O?Quote:
Originally Posted by 3dcandy
A "Me Too" on the above - if Nokia continue to develop as they have been doing then next year's "930" (?) model is going to be something spectacular and has a good chance of steering me away from Android (even though I've got quite a lot of paid for apps). Other thing about Nokia is that they're capable of seeing the whole picture - so that's phones AND accessories. Compare that with the poor quality and/or expensive Samsung accessories where's the sodding wireless charger for my S3 you promised Samsung eh? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
What I really would have liked to see is a much thicker phone that used that extra "pork" to include a bigger battery and - if 808 sensor-equipped - a true optical zoom. In a sea of "me too" designs, going for the person who doesn\'t want to charge daily and converge out their digicam has to be worth going for.
No - to me at least - Nokia\'s doing things right finally. The only dark cloud on the horizon being Microsoft. From what I\'m hearing there\'s still a lot wrong with Windows Phone that Redmond need to deal with asap. Ignoring stuff though like poor connectivity etc, the interface does look really good - was in the Virgin Media store the other day and a little kid managed to figure it out in a minute or two.
Nokia still have a long, long way to turn things around with the public. They are still seen as outdated and old fashioned. I hope they turn it around but I can\'t see it happening quickly enough...
Only thing I find I'm missing is the notification centre, and even then thats a minor issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossy
I have my MissedCalls,linked-emails,priority-email,SMS,WhatsApp,Skype message count all displayed on the lock screen. I also have it set to show the first bit of an SMS on the lock screen too.
Then everything else like Baconit has a live tile.
I don't find I'm missing much on the 920 tbh. In fact when I'm on the S3 I find I'm missing the Nokia maps a lot more, as googles simply isn't anything like as fast, fluid or good for cylcing/walking, the detail isn't there. However Google is more up to date with venues on their map, but nokia works offline, very handy when no signal, and aggregates reviews from a lot of sources.
It's swings and roundabouts, there are aspects I prefer of both, but overall I much prefer the UI and speed of use of WP.
One thing's for certain, iOS only gets a look in because of 3rd party apps, that isn't a good thing.
Hmm, Google Maps sometimes bears out that old saying about getting what you pay for. I ended up paying for CoPilot on my S3 which, like Nokia Maps, quite happily does offline use. Only downside of CoPilot (other than having to pay for it of course) is that it does take a kind of Teutonic view of things - i.e. it holds onto it's preferred routing for quite a long time if you decide to take an ad hoc detour.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
Agreed - at least to the limited extent that I've seen from the times I get a borrow of my daughters 8S (I told her to go Nokia 620 instead, but she wanted the larger screen of the 8S). I can't help wondering how we went from "Android is iOS' leading competitor" to "WP8 challenges Android's phone dominance". Innovate or die I guess - which is why I'm hoping (for Nokia's sake) that Microsoft don't do the usual and say "here's our OS, now we're away to do something else" and leave it to wither.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus