News - Clover Trail vs Snapdragon energy use shown in Intel video

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Interesting power consumption graphs shown by Intel engineer at Computex.

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Wonder what the performance difference between the two are, or if that is pretty much the same too.

@Badbonji, exactly what I was wondering

Ah, lower power consumption during the score screen. Just what I need...

Now try that under Android instead of Windows. Moreover,I suspect the ARM based SOC actually has a better IGP too.

Anyone starting to get the feeling that Intel is the new Nokia?

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Originally Posted by abaxas

Anyone starting to get the feeling that Intel is the new Nokia?

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Nope. Have you seen their quarterly profits? $2 billion net income with 56% gross margins in Q1, this happened even in the lull before a product launch (Haswell), post-Christmas (Q1 is often lower than Q2-4) and during the biggest slump in the PC industry for years. Anyone predicting a sudden Nokia style (market leader to also-ran in <5 years) demise for Intel is a prize idiot.

But anyway, from benchmarks around at places like Anandtech it seems Clover Trail is faster on CPU grunt than ARM competitors in most benchmarks, loses some others but broadly not that different. Clover Trail integrated a wimpier PowerVR core for graphics, not Intel designed, but the CT+ version has upped this to be more competitive. Remember CT is based on the original in-order Bonnell core from 4-5 years ago.

Silvermont is an out-of-order core, more modern and very much faster flat out and per-watt. It's definitely one to watch and should have the ARM chips soundly beaten in late 2013, we'll have to see what Qualcomm, Apple and the other customised-ARM builders come up with. The clone A15 builders will struggle to match Bay Trail for performance I expect.

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Originally Posted by abaxas

Anyone starting to get the feeling that Intel is the new Nokia?

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I think ARM are in danger of becoming the new Nokia. They had a big headstart, but it is very rapidly being eroded by Intel. The fact that the Dalvic VM of Android is relatively processor agnostic means playing catchup for Intel may be difficult but not impossible.

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Originally Posted by wasabi

I think ARM are in danger of becoming the new Nokia. They had a big headstart, but it is very rapidly being eroded by Intel. The fact that the Dalvic VM of Android is relatively processor agnostic means playing catchup for Intel may be difficult but not impossible.

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Ermm... more arm processors are shipped every 3 months than intel(and amd) PCs have ever existed.

Unless until sell these for peanuts, no-one will be interested.

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Originally Posted by abaxas

Ermm... more arm processors are shipped every 3 months than intel(and amd) PCs have ever existed.

Unless until sell these for peanuts, no-one will be interested.

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Yet Intel probably have enough in the bank to buy ARM Holdings outright... if it weren't that it'd never be allowed to happen for competition reasons.

Quantity and quality of products sold isn't a guarantee of profits (ask AMD), only good margins seal it.

PS - Samsung were interested, see the Tab 3...

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Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle

Nope. Have you seen their quarterly profits? $2 billion net income with 56% gross margins in Q1, this happened even in the lull before a product launch (Haswell), post-Christmas (Q1 is often lower than Q2-4) and during the biggest slump in the PC industry for years. Anyone predicting a sudden Nokia style (market leader to also-ran in <5 years) demise for Intel is a prize idiot.

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It wasn't so long ago they were making $3 billion a quarter.

Anyway we've seen so many stupid claims from Intel over the years there's no reason to believe this will be any different. What was Iris Pro supposed to be equal to again? Oh yeah a 650M, right. They just left out the -40% part or that it was only in 3dmark.

And now it's lower power draw on a scoring screen? Why is this even been given the time of day.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo75

It wasn't so long ago they were making $3 billion a quarter.

Anyway we've seen so many stupid claims from Intel over the years there's no reason to believe this will be any different. What was Iris Pro supposed to be equal to again? Oh yeah a 650M, right. They just left out the -40% part or that it was only in 3dmark.

And now it's lower power draw on a scoring screen? Why is this even been given the time of day.

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Every tech company sometimes 'writes cheques their product can't cash'... how many times have we heard daft justifications and spins... "Our new super fast 400 core CPU is the mutts nuts, it's a tad warm but don't worry now it actually makes the toast as well, see, it's amazing". Cherry picking a benchmark is common practice and every low end graphics card since the dawn of time has proclaimed it to give unparalleled realism by conveniently ignoring that's it's the runt of the range... that's just how it is. The farmer gave his male cattle some laxatives...

Most of the top 10 semi-conductor manufacturers had far steeper declines than Intel between 2011-2012. Have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicon..._for_year_2012 and still tell me Intel are in decline? Pfff... it's just silly talk, revenue in 2012 was still ~45% up on 2009 if my head estimates right.

The scoring screen thing is valid, Intel are highlighting the power savings when dropping back to less intensive work, most devices spend a lot more time in idle states than active ones, getting work done and quickly dropping back to minimum required power is important.

I like it, competition is good, Qualcomm, NVidia, Samsung, Intel and others battling over the market can only lead to good prices and more money being plowed into R&D to get ahead... which is good for us in the long run. Mobile ARM based domination using boring clone Axx designs is no better than Intel's traditional domination of x86 big boxes.

Does anyone understand what "Holiday 2013" means? Is it Christmas or Summer or American Thanks Giving or ...?

Thanks

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Clover Trail vs Snapdragon energy use...

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Interesting...

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shown in Intel video

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Or not...

I think 'Holiday' is basically used a 'political correct' version of Christmas...