News - AMD set to release 45W Richland APUs?

[HEXUS]

Two chips on the horizon, it seems.

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[Jedibeeftrix]

awesome news.

not for richland, but for Kaveri I am very interested.

[shaithis]

I'd prefer it if they got an A4 to ~20-25w though. Seems to be more useful then crippling the higher performing chips to meet a tdp.

[cjs150]

About time that the TDP came down.

Intel are moving to sub 20W TDP and HD5000 graphics. AMD have to match. The simple fact is that HD5000 graphics are good enough (in fact HD4000 graphics are) for virtually everyone other than gamers.

If AMD cannot match (or are extremely cheap) then they have no reason to exist as a CPU manufacturer because there will be no segment of the market where they can compete with Intel.

So either AMD have to make a step change improvement in the CPU or the prices have to come down: if an intel i3 retails at £90 the equivalent AMD chip will need to be priced at £60

[wasabi]

Finally they release something in this range that has a point (HTPCs).

[AETAaAS]

I'd prefer it if they got an A4 to ~20-25w though. Seems to be more useful then crippling the higher performing chips to meet a tdp.

The kinda do with Kabini (A6-5200 and A4-5000) but those are mobile chips at 25 and 15W respectively. If AMD made an FM2 version of that, I'd be all over it.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

About time that the TDP came down.

Intel are moving to sub 20W TDP and HD5000 graphics. AMD have to match. The simple fact is that HD5000 graphics are good enough (in fact HD4000 graphics are) for virtually everyone other than gamers.

If AMD cannot match (or are extremely cheap) then they have no reason to exist as a CPU manufacturer because there will be no segment of the market where they can compete with Intel.

So either AMD have to make a step change improvement in the CPU or the prices have to come down: if an intel i3 retails at £90 the equivalent AMD chip will need to be priced at £60

You do realise the GT3 IGP is bigger than the GPU in a HD7770?? It is massive and requires 84MM2 of expensive L4 cache made on a more expensive version of the 22NM process,for its full performance to be realised.

On top of this the people who push the Core i3 as some wonder chip,never have tried using one as their primary CPU. I have.

Its beaten in IGP performance by cheaper AMD CPUs and price comparable AMD CPUs like the FX6300 are probably better longterm buys too,and are slightly cheaper.

For general purpose usage for a desktop,you are not going to notice any realworld difference between a £90 Core i3 and a £69 A8 anyway. I certainly didn't notice it between a £90 Core i3 2100 with an HD5850 and a £60 A6 3670K. I did notice the performance difference between the IGPs running some older games,which people do run for some light entertainment. Its no different than with the A8 5600K and the Core i3 3220.

Finally they release something in this range that has a point (HTPCs).

You mean like all the people who already use them for HTPC use??

Perhaps you missed all the people who use them for this reason on Hexus,OcUK and XBMC forums.

Actually,scaryjim was using his A6 for this very purpose.

[Irien]

Kudos to AMD for taking their architecture into this lower power bracket, but given their CPU performance deficit compared to Intel, I can't help feeling the GPU element is hugely overkill when targeting that power envelope. For many (non gamers, doing photo/video/skype/web work) user, an "8470" class GPU but with a higher CPU clock would probably be a preferable balance. But perhaps that would require a new CPU revision, rather than just downclocking existing designs?

[DanceswithUnix]

I don't get these parts, they all idle at the same power level you just lose the option of going fast if needed.

The Opteron range has a programmable TDP. Just give us that in the consumer parts.

Kudos to AMD for taking their architecture into this lower power bracket, but given their CPU performance deficit compared to Intel, I can't help feeling the GPU element is hugely overkill when targeting that power envelope. For many (non gamers, doing photo/video/skype/web work) user, an "8470" class GPU but with a higher CPU clock would probably be a preferable balance. But perhaps that would require a new CPU revision, rather than just downclocking existing designs?

Now for me, I think these parts *are* aimed at non gamers. As a gamer I want to see the GPU halved in size and 6 cores in there. That would kill off AM3+ for the consumer.

By non-gamers I mean those people that tell you they will never play games on their PC, despite that being practically all they actually do on Facebook, and then complain that the PC you specced can't run the Simms. I have learnt now, my basic "non gaming" spec can play the Simms, and the 5800K seems to do that OK from watching my daughter the other day (she does class herself as a gamer, but I haven't had to buy her a graphics card yet).

[crossy]

About time that the TDP came down. Intel are moving to sub 20W TDP and HD5000 graphics. AMD have to match. The simple fact is that HD5000 graphics are good enough (in fact HD4000 graphics are) for virtually everyone other than gamers.

Speaking to someone recently and they were bemoaning the fact that they were getting visibly dropped frames on video playback with HD graphics, they slapped in a cheapy video card and the problem was solved. But I'll agree if you're doing the "usual" web/mail/office stuff then Intel HD is going to be good enough - the lappy I'm using at this moment is only HD4000 and it's handling anything I can throw at it.

Finally they release something in this range that has a point (HTPCs).

That's a pretty harsh assessment - I know someone with an HP Pavilion that uses an A8 and they're pretty content with it. Sure they're probably not for the folks who want to wring every last frame per sec from their kit, but the higher end stuff seems pretty reasonable for general purpose, value-for-money boxes.

[HalloweenJack]

About time that the TDP came down.

Intel are moving to sub 20W TDP and HD5000 graphics. AMD have to match. The simple fact is that HD5000 graphics are good enough (in fact HD4000 graphics are) for virtually everyone other than gamers.

If AMD cannot match (or are extremely cheap) then they have no reason to exist as a CPU manufacturer because there will be no segment of the market where they can compete with Intel.

So either AMD have to make a step change improvement in the CPU or the prices have to come down: if an intel i3 retails at £90 the equivalent AMD chip will need to be priced at £60

did you actually just post that?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6926/i...e-gets-a-brand

intel themselves have said that the GT3 is for 28w (not your mythical 20w) - and GT3 isn't iris pro.

so is slower than the current AMD offering

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7072/i...000-vs-hd-4400

^^ link supporting that small detail


oh and the GT3e? that's a 55watt part - and the `on die` package? its BIGGER than a GTX 680.

[HalloweenJack]

I don't get these parts, they all idle at the same power level you just lose the option of going fast if needed.

The Opteron range has a programmable TDP. Just give us that in the consumer parts.



Now for me, I think these parts *are* aimed at non gamers. As a gamer I want to see the GPU halved in size and 6 cores in there. That would kill off AM3+ for the consumer.

By non-gamers I mean those people that tell you they will never play games on their PC, despite that being practically all they actually do on Facebook, and then complain that the PC you specced can't run the Simms. I have learnt now, my basic "non gaming" spec can play the Simms, and the 5800K seems to do that OK from watching my daughter the other day (she does class herself as a gamer, but I haven't had to buy her a graphics card yet).

wow my kids play wow (1400x900 preset high with 2xaa) and bf3 (medium preset) on there A10-5800k ; works nicely actually - and also works damn well in CF with a 6670 .

[wasabi]

Speaking to someone recently and they were bemoaning the fact that they were getting visibly dropped frames on video playback with HD graphics, they slapped in a cheapy video card and the problem was solved. But I'll agree if you're doing the "usual" web/mail/office stuff then Intel HD is going to be good enough - the lappy I'm using at this moment is only HD4000 and it's handling anything I can throw at it.

Probably not configured right. I have a G620T (35W TDP) on my mini-itx and onboard Intel graphics are flawless playing huuuge 1080 .mkvs, .mp4s and so on. Use MPC-HC for playback.

[HalloweenJack]

Probably not configured right. I have a G620T (35W TDP) on my mini-itx and onboard Intel graphics are flawless playing huuuge 1080 .mkvs, .mp4s and so on. Use MPC-HC for playback.

doubt that - theres a hardware bug in SB that has issues with 23.976 hz playback. has been there since Clarksdale , through SB to IB , and finally fixed (apparently) with haswell.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...-2100-tested/7

[wasabi]

Probably not configured right. I have a G620T (35W TDP) on my mini-itx and onboard Intel graphics are flawless playing huuuge 1080 .mkvs, .mp4s and so on. Use MPC-HC for playback.

doubt that - theres a hardware bug in SB that has issues with 23.976 hz playback. has been there since Clarksdale , through SB to IB , and finally fixed (apparently) with haswell.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...-2100-tested/7

Heard of that on so many 'hardware' sites. Never seen it on my TV. I'm sure sure purists will bleat on about it, while they bleat on that any home theatre system that costs less than £5000 is rubbish. Personally, I'd rather live without the fan noise even if the graphics are inferior in some abstract lab scenario.

[crossy]

doubt that - theres a hardware bug in SB that has issues with 23.976 hz playback. has been there since Clarksdale , through SB to IB , and finally fixed (apparently) with haswell.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/t...-2100-tested/7

I forwarded that info to my friend (with the dropped frames) and his reply was "great, that gives me a 'reason' (wink, wink) to replace my 'defective' rig with something fixed (and newer)". Oh, and he asked to pass on his thanks.

He was also seeing some image corruption, so thinks he might have minor issue in the chip - not a driver issue because he's up to date.