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As most (all?) of the previous commenters I definitely plan on having a discrete graphics card in my next rig. When that'll be I don't really know. Currently I'm on a GTX 670 which I got a year ago and I tend to keep my graphics cards around for about 3-4 years, but that could change given the right circumstances.
Yes, separate card for me. We're in a strange situation, I grant you, where the IGPs are getting very good, but the gap is still too great, and card technology moves forward too quickly (and it needs to). If I could bring myself to quit games, I'd already be in the integrated camp though, no question.
I'll love it when gfx tech finally hits a regular ceiling. It'll be great to see the form factors of PCs change completely around something that's just a motherboard, drives and cooling, and as long as we don't need a new graphics standard any more often than we need a new CPU then I'm sure it won't be long until that's our reality.
I have integrated graphics already, but only because that's built in to my i7, I don't use the IGP though, I prefer the GTX780Ti to drive my gaming fun and I think I am a long way away from having enough faith in integrated graphics to want to rely on them for anything more than simple browsing and office applications.
I don't think IGP is powerful enough for my gaming needs at the moment, as soon as it's affordable I'll be moving to 4K which will set the whole process back again.
AMD's APUs are a great leap forward though, and I'm looking forward to being able to realistically consider an APU for a budget gaming rig.
Discrete. Probably cascaded down from my main PC. (Parts don't leave this house until VERY obsolete).
Yes. Integrated graphics will never be able to compete with a discrete card when it comes to desktop gaming. If it were just for a HTPC or something then yeah. But high quality high resolution pixel crunching needs more than that which a co-processor on a CPU can host. And in all honesty, I'd rather have that arrangement, I don't fancy splashing out on an expensive all-encompassing CPU which will basically mean an entirely new system just because the framerate moves from barely playable to unplayable.
For me I have 2 pc's that both have distinct purposes, media pc, simple... Just play movies mkv's ripped from my Blu-rays and output the sound at 7.1
My gaming rig, play any game at 1920x1080p at 50-60 fps.
Media pc. amd 7xxx
Gaming rig. Amd r9 270+ or 660 ti+
Easy really.
Opinion?
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Some sort of Crossfire/SLI implementation of Intels Iris Pro graphics so that they work in conjuction with a small discrete solution would be good for the SFF/HTPC market. AMD's APU's hopefully will only get better, AMD really need to start pushing Intel again on the CPU side. If Intel graphics get up to around the level of an old HD7750/7770 then AMD could well be in a lot more trouble.
If the GPU market as well could be better integrated into the computing market in general to be seen as (and actually do) more than something for geeky blokes playing games to add to their PC that may well keep the likes of AMD/Nvidia graphics going for much longer.
"Nothing is safer than a giant snowball whipping through space...at a million miles an hour"
You know? I was thinking about this the other day.
I can only see one way forward and the answer is discrete but in a completely different way.
Because of laptops, tablets, etc etc, companies are finding more and more ways of getting more tech in smaller spaces.
Integrated graphics with a cpu will always limit things.
I can foresee a cpu like slot dedicated solely to graphics in future motherboards. It will have a heatsink on top, just like you get with the cpu's. closed loop water cooling will get better and better so the need for enormous air controled heatsinks will fade out.
In time even water will be replaced with foam.
Cooling has always been the problem.
For now though, I will stick with discrete in its standard format.
Lets face it, the only reason we are having this discussion is because games havent caught up to the tech yet. Once they do, integrated will seem as poor as always.
I am in a similar situation to azrael. My current desktop rig is Z77/i5 3570K/GTX 670, so:
a) I will definitely be upgrading my GPU before motherboard/CPU due to the plateau in desktop performance increase now that Intel has no competition and is increasingly focused on mobile.
b) If "next" PC implies a motherboard upgrade, that is too far off for me speculate; I will almost certainly skip the Broadwell generation and, if need be upgrade, to an Ivy Bridge i7 CPU. There will have to be some other type of technological advancement which forces me to upgrade to a new platform.
c) The only circumstances under which I might get another PC is if the steam machine concept turns out to be compelling (which isn't the case right now), I might buy/build a machine without a discrete GPU primarily for in-home streaming that because I am already finding the beta somewhat useful with 2006 core2duo laptop running Arch Linux.
Until onboard graphics can play modern first person 3D games acceptably, main PC will have a discreet graphics card. Probably going to be a GTX750Ti though as i like low power silent kit.
Kaveri does look interesting (really like the new mobos being released for amd too) but i would personally go for a discrete card. Still having a 7850k etc, then later adding an r9 etc, with uptodate amd parts sounds nice aswell!
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