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    Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Early prototype supports six SSDs, a Mini ITX motherboard and a Flex ATX PSU.
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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    6 ssds is hardly a NAS server is it? looking at it it would only have needed to be marginally bigger to take 3.5" drives, which would have made it actually useful.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by herulach View Post
    6 ssds is hardly a NAS server is it? looking at it it would only have needed to be marginally bigger to take 3.5" drives, which would have made it actually useful.
    Just done a back-of-an-envelope calc and a 4.5TB RAID5 setup is going to cost £2,400 for the disks alone. So yes, totally agree that it seems like a bit of a waste of a product, unless it's designed for smaller/cheaper SSD's and the intended use is for media serving?

    Like the idea of an 180mm fan, but at the bottom? Does it do double duty as a vacuum cleaner?

    When they trade the 6x SSD's for 4x 3.5" drives and move the fan then I'll be interested. Otherwise it looks like an FD Node 304 is my best bet at the moment.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by herulach View Post
    6 ssds is hardly a NAS server is it? looking at it it would only have needed to be marginally bigger to take 3.5" drives, which would have made it actually useful.
    Depends on your definition of useful, 6 x 3.5" drives would be too noisy and high in power consumption for me, I use 2.5" drives in all my machines, don't even own any 3.5" any more.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    From the look of it, the motherboard is oriented with sockets pointing upwards (turned through 90 degrees), like a miniature FT02 case; it just has a single AP181 fan instead of three. If it only takes 2.5" drives, it's not going to be all that useful though, I must agree. It's not as if many SSDs run hot enough to warrant that much cooling...

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle View Post
    Depends on your definition of useful, 6 x 3.5" drives would be too noisy and high in power consumption for me, I use 2.5" drives in all my machines, don't even own any 3.5" any more.
    the biggest 2.5" drive you can readily get is 2TB at 5400rpm for about £115. Considering you could get the same space, for the same price at 3.5" but in half as many drives I think you're on a hiding to nothing with that strategy. Using WD Greens as a comparison:

    2.5"
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    3.5"
    25 db/3.3w idle

    so you're saving what 6W of power? That can't cost more than £1/year I know spl isn't additive, but I can't see how 3*25 can come to anymore noise than 6*2.5 either tbh.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    £2400??

    Six 1TB enterprise grade drives at £164 each is under a grand: http://www.ebuyer.com/254416-seagate...e-st91000641ns

    You can't buy a 5.25in hard drive any more, 3.5in will no doubt go the same way before long but that time isn't here yet so yes this is probably jumping the gun. Those 2.5in drives make sense if you have very big trays with a lot of drives in them where petabytes per rack and energy cost is important. Half a dozen in a consumer box, no thanks.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    £2400??

    Six 1TB enterprise grade drives at £164 each is under a grand: http://www.ebuyer.com/254416-seagate...e-st91000641ns

    You can't buy a 5.25in hard drive any more, 3.5in will no doubt go the same way before long but that time isn't here yet so yes this is probably jumping the gun. Those 2.5in drives make sense if you have very big trays with a lot of drives in them where petabytes per rack and energy cost is important. Half a dozen in a consumer box, no thanks.
    I suspect he was talking about SSDs, but even so, anyone needing SSD level performance in a network attached form is going to be well into the level of enterprise (and consequently racked) hardware already.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    [Just done a back-of-an-envelope calc and a 4.5TB RAID5 setup is going to cost £2,400 for the disks alone.] £2400??Six 1TB enterprise grade drives at £164 each is under a grand: http://www.ebuyer.com/254416-seagate...e-st91000641ns
    Okay, okay, I missed Chris from Silverstone saying "SSD's or hard drives" in the video. My boae calc was done based on six-way 1TB Samsung EVO SSD's, roughly £400 each, so £2400. Okay, now that the SSD-only misconception is out of the way, sure I could use 6 1TB WD RED 2.5" drives (less than £60 each) and get that 4.5TB area for a much more reasonable £360.

    Of course if this thing supported 3.5" drives (which obviously then doesn't exclude use of 2.5" or SSDs) then I could get 8TB of RAID5 for the same price - nearly double the capacity, (3x 4TB WD Red's @Dabs).
    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    You can't buy a 5.25in hard drive any more, 3.5in will no doubt go the same way before long but that time isn't here yet so yes this is probably jumping the gun. Those 2.5in drives make sense if you have very big trays with a lot of drives in them where petabytes per rack and energy cost is important. Half a dozen in a consumer box, no thanks.
    You can't buy new 5.25" drives - eBay have a load of "pre-owned" when I looked. The rest though, I'm going to agree with. For a consumer NAS - which this is - you want max capacity for minimum price and hassle.


    Shame because I've got a Silverstone 2.5" eSATA RAID DAS on my desk and it's been a brilliant unit, (now discontinued though). So I'd be favourably pre-disposed to a Silverstone NAS. Actually been looking at building my own NAS and wondering if a Sugo case would be small enough.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    i guess ill start burning bdxl from now on

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    I think I'd be more interested in the DS380, if I were to get a silverstone NAS chassis at all.
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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Boring, I want one for 3.5" drives.

    What I really want is a XL HP Micro server. Loose the 5.25" bay and have a 2nd row of 3.5" drive trays. May be a single 2.5" drive mount somewhere, just in case a simple USB stick isn't good enough to boot the desired OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    I think I'd be more interested in the DS380, if I were to get a silverstone NAS chassis at all.
    That one looks much more interesting.
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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by SUMMONER View Post
    Boring, I want one for 3.5" drives.

    What I really want is a XL HP Micro server. Loose the 5.25" bay and have a 2nd row of 3.5" drive trays. May be a single 2.5" drive mount somewhere, just in case a simple USB stick isn't good enough to boot the desired OS.


    That one looks much more interesting.
    Silverstone DS380 should work although I'm waiting on lian li pc-q37 as I want an optical drive

    Theres also some qnap style cases from U NAS iirc

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    You can't buy new 5.25" drives - eBay have a load of "pre-owned" when I looked. The rest though, I'm going to agree with. For a consumer NAS - which this is - you want max capacity for minimum price and hassle.
    I don't get pre-owned hard drives. Things like video cards, fine, it might have been abused and you are taking a slight chance but it should last years. But drives have a limited life. About as tempting for me as second hand toilet paper.


    Anyway, I was rather tempted to add something like this to my CM Elite 120 chassis: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/icy-d...lane-raid-cage

    Costs twice as much as the case though. Not quite sure how that works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by herulach View Post
    the biggest 2.5" drive you can readily get is 2TB at 5400rpm for about £115. Considering you could get the same space, for the same price at 3.5" but in half as many drives I think you're on a hiding to nothing with that strategy. Using WD Greens as a comparison:

    2.5"
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    3.5"
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    so you're saving what 6W of power? That can't cost more than £1/year I know spl isn't additive, but I can't see how 3*25 can come to anymore noise than 6*2.5 either tbh.
    (6W x 24 hrs / 1000) * 365 = 52.56kWh a year, so depending on your pricing nearer £5-6 a year cost. (average unit price is 10-12p AFAIK).

    It wouldn't be all about capacity for me anyway I'm not a torrent gobbler etc. If I absolutely wanted many TB with minimum cash then not much choice other than 3.5" but I don't so... like I said all about your definition of useful.

    I would prefer to use say 4x in a RAID 10 than 3 using RAID 5 in any case. Were I using the Silverstone chassis I'd probably be thinking about a small SSD for the boot volume and 5x 2.5" drives one of which is a hot-spare. Given that it's not all about capacity I'd not be looking at 15mm thick WD Green drives either (would they even fit?), other drives have lower power characteristics and may be in deeper idle states that the 0.8W active idle anyway, so the power difference is likely to be more.

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    Re: Silverstone teases aluminium DS260 NAS chassis

    Quote Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle View Post
    I would prefer to use say 4x in a RAID 10 than 3 using RAID 5 in any case. Were I using the Silverstone chassis I'd probably be thinking about a small SSD for the boot volume and 5x 2.5" drives one of which is a hot-spare. Given that it's not all about capacity I'd not be looking at 15mm thick WD Green drives either (would they even fit?), other drives have lower power characteristics and may be in deeper idle states that the 0.8W active idle anyway, so the power difference is likely to be more.
    Possibly an aside, but I've come across a LOT of discussion about the wisdom of using WD Green's in NAS drives. Consensus - as far as I can tell - is that it's allowable for a lightly used NAS, but if you're planning to hit it then Green's are a poor choice and you'd be better off with Red's or even normal "desktop" drives. Problem seems to be the timeouts on the Green's so you get "an excessive number of load/unload cycles leading to premature failure". Seems to be particularly the case if your file store NAS is also being used to serve out music and video.

    Given that, your suggested config sounds okay to me - although in my case it definitely IS about capacity. Or more specifically ... density ... I want as much storage as my wallet allows, in as small a space as possible.

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