News - Broadwell PCs will be on sale in time for Xmas, pledges Intel CEO

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But he admits its "going to be tough," to ready any such PCs by for the back to school season.

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I hope none of these tech giants accidentally bankrupt themselves over wearable tech.

I get it that it ought to be our future. Nobody wants to be the Magoo who said, "The internet will never catch on" or questioned why there was any need to have a camera in a phone. Sci-fi is often right, and wearable technology is such a big part of those ideas, but that doesn't mean it's inevitable. Glass has proved that we hate computerised eyewear, and maybe one day a Glass contact lens will make people's objections moot, but aside from that I can't imagine anything that works. I have to remember to pick up my smartphone every day, but I'm no more shackled to that than I would be to some item of clothing that I have to clamp onto me every day.

But this xmass broadwell is supposed to have same performance as haswell but use less power, not exactly exciting stuff..

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Originally Posted by Smikis

But this xmass broadwell is supposed to have same performance as haswell but use less power, not exactly exciting stuff..

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If it was better then this could have triggered an Osbourn Effect. Can't see anyone cancelling orders to wait for Broadwell though, so no damage done eh?

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

If it was better then this could have triggered an Osbourn Effect. Can't see anyone cancelling orders to wait for Broadwell though, so no damage done eh?

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"Osbourn Effect" - what's that? Presumably it's not - as I first thought - the irresistible desire to try out your entire library of invective on viewing a certain Chancellor? Or, (for the comic geeks), riding around on a silver hover board thingy throwing pumpkin bombs?

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Originally Posted by Smikis

But this xmass broadwell is supposed to have same performance as haswell but use less power, not exactly exciting stuff..

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Not exciting ... undoubtedly. But still of interest. Someone (here) once said that "less power = less heat", and less heat means that you need to put in less effort (i.e. spend less) if you want to overclock. And I'd suggest that cheaper overclocking capabilities are exciting. Wasn't there something about Broadwell being easily stable at 4GHz+ with the stock Intel cooler the other day? If true, then colour me interested - be nice to do an "upgrade" from my upclocked PhenomII for Christmas.

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Originally Posted by crossy

"Osbourn Effect" - what's that? Presumably it's not - as I first thought - the irresistible desire to try out your entire library of invective on viewing a certain Chancellor? Or, (for the comic geeks), riding around on a silver hover board thingy throwing pumpkin bombs?

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Oops, spelt with an 'e' it seems. It is an unintended consequences thing.

Adam Osbourne basically invented the portable computer in the 80's. He let slip that a version 2 of his computer would be cheaper and twice as fast, and everyone stopped buying the version 1. Problem is, version 2 wasn't ready yet so the company got into serious cash flow difficulties. There are probably computer execs in the industry now that are too young to know the story, so it will happen again :)

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

Oops, spelt with an 'e' it seems. It is an unintended consequences thing.

Adan Osbourne basically invented the portable computer in the 80's. He let slip that a version 2 of his computer would be cheaper and twice as fast, and everyone stopped buying the version 1. Problem is, version 2 wasn't ready yet so the company got into serious cash flow difficulties. There are probably computer execs in the industry now that are too young to know the story, so it will happen again :)

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Ah, light dawns, thanks for the reminder. Of course, I'm cynical enough to think that a lot of execs will take the view "the sheep will do anything we tell them".

They've got an Osbourne in the 80's tech section of the Museum of Scotland. Trouble is that if you say to the kids that this is a "laptop" they look at you like you're trying to sell 'em Tower Bridge. Still, it gives me a chance to go all Victor Meldrew when they complain that their Inspiron's or Pavilions are too heavy. ;)

If they are looking for inspiration for wearable tech then they just need to go watch some sci-fi. How about Marti McFly's jacket from Back to the Future II ? or Leela's wrist device thing from Futurama ? or Predator's shoulder mounted weapon from Predator ? or Iron man's suit from Iron Man ?

The idea's are out there, they just need to stop thinking about watches !

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Originally Posted by DemonHighwayman

If they are looking for inspiration for wearable tech then they just need to go watch some sci-fi. How about Marti McFly's jacket from Back to the Future II ? or Leela's wrist device thing from Futurama ? or Predator's shoulder mounted weapon from Predator ? or Iron man's suit from Iron Man ? The idea's are out there, they just need to stop thinking about watches !

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I know where you're coming from on this - problem is that sci-fi tech tends to have some drawbacks - e.g. what would happen to Marty's jacket if he tried to wash it?

Funny you should say this, but there are plenty of wearables out there that aren't watches. Ok, there's Google Glass, but I was also listening to BBC Click (World Service) podcast the other day and they were talking about a Columbian project to produce shoes that can warn the wearer of the presence of mines. Didn't know that Columbia is the second most mined area in the world (#1 is Afghanistan).

What ever happened to all these clothes that could use your movement to generate power - e.g. running pants (americanism) that could be used to top up your ipod.

Then again, Moto 360 watch is the only watch wearable that appeals.

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Originally Posted by crossy

I know where you're coming from on this - problem is that sci-fi tech tends to have some drawbacks - e.g. what would happen to Marty's jacket if he tried to wash it?

Funny you should say this, but there are plenty of wearables out there that aren't watches. Ok, there's Google Glass, but I was also listening to BBC Click (World Service) podcast the other day and they were talking about a Columbian project to produce shoes that can warn the wearer of the presence of mines. Didn't know that Columbia is the second most mined area in the world (#1 is Afghanistan).

What ever happened to all these clothes that could use your movement to generate power - e.g. running pants (americanism) that could be used to top up your ipod.

Then again, Moto 360 watch is the only watch wearable that appeals.

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I like the idea of wearing something that generates power, i've seen a few back packs with solar panels but they need to take advantage of kinetic energy as well to be worth the money... in my opinion, of course actual clothing that did the same thing would be awesome too.

I forgot about Click, i'll have to fire up iPlayer and see what episodes they have on. And now you mentioned shoes that can detect mines it gets me thinking about Leela's wrist thingy again. With a device that size (it takes up at least half her forearm) they could build a small Geiger counter into it, perhaps the tech from the mine shoes could be stuffed in side it, it had a tracking device in the show which would be easy to replicate, it had at least one game on it (tetris), it was used for talking to people.

I would buy one of those wrist things if it was done properly !

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Originally Posted by crossy

"Osbourn Effect" - what's that? Presumably it's not - as I first thought - the irresistible desire to try out your entire library of invective on viewing a certain Chancellor? Or, (for the comic geeks), riding around on a silver hover board thingy throwing pumpkin bombs?

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Oops, spelt with an 'e' it seems. It is an unintended consequences thing.

Adan Osbourne basically invented the portable computer in the 80's. He let slip that a version 2 of his computer would be cheaper and twice as fast, and everyone stopped buying the version 1. Problem is, version 2 wasn't ready yet so the company got into serious cash flow difficulties. There are probably computer execs in the industry now that are too young to know the story, so it will happen again :)

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Latest victim of the Osbourne Effect was, to my knowledge, Nokia back in 2011. Betting the house and the car and even the dog on the Windows Phone OS without being able to actually produce a phone for the next year or so after that.

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Originally Posted by azrael-

Latest victim of the Osbourne Effect was, to my knowledge, Nokia back in 2011. Betting the house and the car and even the dog on the Windows Phone OS without being able to actually produce a phone for the next year or so after that.

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Some think that it worked exactly as intended, dropping the value of Nokia ready for Microsoft to buy at a bargain price. Wonder if we will ever find out.

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Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix

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Originally Posted by azrael-

Latest victim of the Osbourne Effect was, to my knowledge, Nokia back in 2011. Betting the house and the car and even the dog on the Windows Phone OS without being able to actually produce a phone for the next year or so after that.

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Some think that it worked exactly as intended, dropping the value of Nokia ready for Microsoft to buy at a bargain price. Wonder if we will ever find out.

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You said that. I didn't... ;)