News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

[Xlucine]

I'm starting to feel hopeful about these amd apu's. I might even get one next year to replace my 2500k, and pair it up with an amd pci-e gpu, assuming that will work out nicely?

bear in mind that AMD only recommend you pair the APU with a graphics card that is equal to the integrated graphics, which means you're limited to the weaker cards
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations...aphics#desktop

[DanceswithUnix]

bear in mind that AMD only recommend you pair the APU with a graphics card that is equal to the integrated graphics, which means you're limited to the weaker cards
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations...aphics#desktop

Only true for crossfire. If you ignore the built in graphics, then you can get any card you want. OFC, at that point you are better off buying an FX 8350, and using that silicon you intend turning off for L3 cache and extra cores.

[ZaO]

bear in mind that AMD only recommend you pair the APU with a graphics card that is equal to the integrated graphics, which means you're limited to the weaker cards
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations...aphics#desktop

Ah that's a shame

Only true for crossfire. If you ignore the built in graphics, then you can get any card you want. OFC, at that point you are better off buying an FX 8350, and using that silicon you intend turning off for L3 cache and extra cores.

But yeh, I was thinking of doing it this way too. Just disable the graphics if I have to. But then I'd feel like I'd wasted some money there! I was considering getting the top of the line FX chip for a while, recently. But I decided against it. That's the end of the line for the AM3+ boards. And I don't think there would be much benefit at all switching out my current setup for that (for gaming anyway). It's so awkward with amd right now. I really want to use amd stuff. But this situation is just... I'll just hang in there until next year and see what they have to offer!

[DanceswithUnix]

But yeh, I was thinking of doing it this way too. Just disable the graphics if I have to. But then I'd feel like I'd wasted some money there! I was considering getting the top of the line FX chip for a while, recently. But I decided against it. That's the end of the line for the AM3+ boards. And I don't think there would be much benefit at all switching out my current setup for that (for gaming anyway). It's so awkward with amd right now. I really want to use amd stuff. But this situation is just... I'll just hang in there until next year and see what they have to offer!

That is my problem with the A10-7850K, it is a heck of a lot of money to drop on a CPU and if you have that much to spend you will probably want external graphics which means turning off half the silicon you just paid for.

In your shoes I would wait as well. You seem to have a decent setup, I don't think Intel have a worthwhile upgrade for you yet either. See what the world of DDR4 platforms brings to the table perhaps...

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is why the lack of the A8 7600 is annoying. At around £90 it would have been a nice general purpose CPU,with also decent power consumption. ATM,the A10 6800K fills that price range.

[DanceswithUnix]

This is why the lack of the A8 7600 is annoying. At around £90 it would have been a nice general purpose CPU,with also decent power consumption. ATM,the A10 6800K fills that price range.

But if I have understood correctly, you can not only set it to 45W or 65W but you can also uncap it to 95W at which point it starts looking far too competitive on performance with the 7850K, so I do wonder just what price they will give it.

I now have a Llano, a Trinity and most recently a Richland so I don't want to sound down on them overall, just I wouldn't drop that much money on one. The last one, the 6500 for £70, is a super little device.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

But if I have understood correctly, you can not only set it to 45W or 65W but you can also uncap it to 95W at which point it starts looking far too competitive on performance with the 7850K, so I do wonder just what price they will give it.

I now have a Llano, a Trinity and most recently a Richland so I don't want to sound down on them overall, just I wouldn't drop that much money on one. The last one, the 6500 for £70, is a super little device.

You also forgetting the A8 7600 is a better fit for a mini-ITX or SFF rig than the A10 6800K.

[ZaO]

That is my problem with the A10-7850K, it is a heck of a lot of money to drop on a CPU and if you have that much to spend you will probably want external graphics which means turning off half the silicon you just paid for.

In your shoes I would wait as well. You seem to have a decent setup, I don't think Intel have a worthwhile upgrade for you yet either. See what the world of DDR4 platforms brings to the table perhaps...

Yeh that's it man. I feel like I'm kinda stuck with this setup for a while. It's a good setup though. Still does well enough in new games But I'm really hoping I can find a worthwhile upgrade with amd next year. But as I understand, they won't be giving us any more high performance "gaming type" cpu's until 2016. I don't want to stick with Intel. I wish amd would just get it together with the cpu's!

[Percy1983]

Lol, we seem to have come from a common place. I had a mini ITX A8-3870K system which in trying to get quiet enough to live under the TV ended up not coping with warmer weather.

The 6500 (not T) has been a much better system. I went back to uATX, easier to cool, so still on the cheap AMD heatsink and it is still quieter. The 6500 idles at 1.7GHz at some stupidly low voltage, so the lowest speed is something like double what ISTR the 3870K was doing.

So yes if the 7600 was available I would have gone for it. The fact that my server rebooted itself on a hot day rather forced the issue though, so I found myself choosing between the quad core AM1 cheap system and the 6500 on FM2+ motherboard, the platform with 4 memory sockets won.

In my case I have the airflow so its just noisy on hot days but is still fine so I don't have the urgency to upgrade, in my case I still need it powerful as it has 6 HD TV tuners and transcodes them to some devices.

Looks like there is a good micro atx FM2+ board from gigabyte too which isn't very expensive, I just need the APU.

Seems the 7600 may actually be showing signs of appearing too which is nice.

[Noxvayl]

Gah, sorry, yes "Integrated Circuit". So much for avoiding jargon, when you work with it all day you get blind to the stuff, sorry.

Quality can't drop, the packaging plant is where the testing will be carried out, so the finished result will be fine. If something gets contaminated or damaged during transport then AMD get to wear the cost, so it must all come down to money and the costs of doing things in each place. Wafer handling is supposed to be all automated, so if they can ship one wafer OK they should be able to ship them by the thousand. I'm sure it is all fine, it just feels wrong.

It could simply be a case that if the end product is going to be used in or near Malaysia, then it might be cheaper to ship wafers than ship finished product, and then the bigger heavier trays of finished chips become more of a local distribution problem.

Edit to add: Looks like Intel do exactly the same thing, fab in one country and package+test in another with Arizona being the only site that is listed as able to do both : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...acturing_sites

It doesn't make logical sense outside of the monetary system. It is not better to use more resources to package and ship a product half way around the world when you could do everything required before selling it in one place. The reason it is monetarily more efficient is because of subsidising and environmental costs skewing the balance sheets. We do pay for it, we just haven't figured out a way to assign a monetary value for what we are paying, added to that is the intentional hiding of that monetary value because governments think it is beneficial to do so.

[Jowsey]

In my case I have the airflow so its just noisy on hot days but is still fine so I don't have the urgency to upgrade, in my case I still need it powerful as it has 6 HD TV tuners and transcodes them to some devices.

6 TV tuners, do enlighten me on that set up and what it is used for ! That sounds fantastic!! Also, is this freeview we're talking about or cable/satellite?

[DanceswithUnix]

You also forgetting the A8 7600 is a better fit for a mini-ITX or SFF rig than the A10 6800K.

Not forgetting that at all, quite the contrary. The 7600 can supposedly do 3.8GHz if you uncap the power rating compared to 4GHz for the 7850, or you can cap it down and still get rather good performance.

So it is a versatile device, if you were product manager for the line at AMD, how much would you charge for it? If they make this too cheap, then frankly they can give up selling anything else.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not forgetting that at all, quite the contrary. The 7600 can supposedly do 3.8GHz if you uncap the power rating compared to 4GHz for the 7850, or you can cap it down and still get rather good performance.

So it is a versatile device, if you were product manager for the line at AMD, how much would you charge for it? If they make this too cheap, then frankly they can give up selling anything else.

Well the recently announced A10-7800 also looks good too.

However,none of these are available in retail!!

[Percy1983]

6 TV tuners, do enlighten me on that set up and what it is used for ! That sounds fantastic!! Also, is this freeview we're talking about or cable/satellite?

Well its a HTPC, 4 freeview HD tuners and 2 Freesat HD tuners (could incorporate Sky but I really don't want it), I use DVBLink to merge the sources for 1 epg and to share the virtual tuners, in short no other TV in the house has an aerial port and everything runs off that PC, I can use 360's as media extenders which is good as all the recorded TV etc is avaialble, likewise I can use any other PC as the tuners are networked but also use my windows phone or android tablet to use the tuners too.

In short the AMD APUs are perfect for HTPC use, in my case my 3870k is with 8GB 1866mhz ram which I intend to use if I ever get my hands on a 7600.

[eugenius]

A8 7600, A8 7600, wheeeeere aaaaaaaaaare youuuuuuuu?

[casper410sugar]

I dont get what is the big news, if the 7850K has been available for many months.