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    News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    This multiplier locked processor offers a lower TDP than similar unlocked 'K' offerings.
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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Any timeline when these will enter retail?? Even the A8 7600 has just appeared in a pre-built PC in the US:

    http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/hom...vilion/G5B59AV

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    What does "DIFFUSED" in Germany mean -

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    I want to know what diffused in Germany means as well. Probably jargon I don't understand but it doesn't seem to make me more confident in the product to be honest.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    It means the chip(the silicon bit) is produced in the Dresden fab in Germany and packaged in Malaysia. At least this is what I think it means.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    AMD makes its wafers in Germany (at Global Foundries in Dresden). The wafers are sent to Malaysia to be cut up and made into CPUs.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    So where is my A8 7600, I want one of those at 45w in my HTPC!

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    I'm starting to feel hopeful about these amd apu's. I might even get one next year to replace my 2500k, and pair it up with an amd pci-e gpu, assuming that will work out nicely?

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster0101 View Post
    What does "DIFFUSED" in Germany mean -
    like dust, spread over a wide area or between a large number of people; scatter; disperse

    I also wonder about the A8-7600. It's likely AMD keeps launching higher margin products.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxvayl View Post
    I want to know what diffused in Germany means as well. Probably jargon I don't understand but it doesn't seem to make me more confident in the product to be honest.
    ICs are made by messing with silicon by adding impurities in a very controlled manner. That is called diffusing.

    That gets you the round wafer that you sometimes see pictures of. The wafer needs to have each die tested, chopped out, mounted in the final package with pins or landing pads on it before it can have final testing and be shipped.

    Quite why they would produce the finished wafers in one country and then ship the result to another country for final package and test has always baffled me. I mean these things are clean room controlled environment and pretty delicate, and most couriers I come across could break a pair of socks that have been wrapped in half an inch of bubble wrap. My guess is tax purposes

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Cheers DanceswithUnix, nice answer. I assume IC means Integrated Circuit, or have I used the wrong abbreviation?

    I am equally confused about shipping delicate parts around the world to get a tax break. I would happily pay £5-10 more for each item if the company explained that the reason for that price was because all parts of manufacture was kept in one country for quality control purposes, heck add another £5 if it stays in the same facility and that costs more because they need to own a much larger parcel of land.

    It seems money is often a more important reason for a decision than quality, it makes me sad sometimes.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    So where is my A8 7600, I want one of those at 45w in my HTPC!
    I believe you can put a 7850K into an Asus 88K motherboard and tell that to be 45W.

    Not tried it mind, I have a uATX motherboard which I think can do that but I went for the A8-6500 65W. Mind you I am delighted with the combination, it is a rather busy server and is pulling about 60W from the wall. I went that route because it was the cheapest quad core with integrated graphics (so I didn't have to add a graphics card consuming more power & generating more heat).

    There is this unless you are doing something that really needs the GCN graphics: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-a...mhz-45w-retail

    but for me running at 4.1GHz turbo for a fraction of a second then dropping back to idle was what I was gunning for.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxvayl View Post
    Cheers DanceswithUnix, nice answer. I assume IC means Integrated Circuit, or have I used the wrong abbreviation?

    I am equally confused about shipping delicate parts around the world to get a tax break. I would happily pay £5-10 more for each item if the company explained that the reason for that price was because all parts of manufacture was kept in one country for quality control purposes, heck add another £5 if it stays in the same facility and that costs more because they need to own a much larger parcel of land.

    It seems money is often a more important reason for a decision than quality, it makes me sad sometimes.
    Gah, sorry, yes "Integrated Circuit". So much for avoiding jargon, when you work with it all day you get blind to the stuff, sorry.

    Quality can't drop, the packaging plant is where the testing will be carried out, so the finished result will be fine. If something gets contaminated or damaged during transport then AMD get to wear the cost, so it must all come down to money and the costs of doing things in each place. Wafer handling is supposed to be all automated, so if they can ship one wafer OK they should be able to ship them by the thousand. I'm sure it is all fine, it just feels wrong.

    It could simply be a case that if the end product is going to be used in or near Malaysia, then it might be cheaper to ship wafers than ship finished product, and then the bigger heavier trays of finished chips become more of a local distribution problem.

    Edit to add: Looks like Intel do exactly the same thing, fab in one country and package+test in another with Arizona being the only site that is listed as able to do both : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...acturing_sites
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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    A8-6500T doesn't look bad, I find it hard to order knowing the A8-7600 will eventually appear.

    I could buy one of the better apus and downclock/volt but it seems silly when I could wait a little longer and save money.

    The HTPC in question is currently running an A8-3870k so its certainly no slouch, the plan is the A8-7600 will perform better and use less power, double win.

    Would just be a new board and apu so would be a cheap but worthwhile upgrade.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    A8-6500T doesn't look bad, I find it hard to order knowing the A8-7600 will eventually appear.

    I could buy one of the better apus and downclock/volt but it seems silly when I could wait a little longer and save money.

    The HTPC in question is currently running an A8-3870k so its certainly no slouch, the plan is the A8-7600 will perform better and use less power, double win.

    Would just be a new board and apu so would be a cheap but worthwhile upgrade.
    Lol, we seem to have come from a common place. I had a mini ITX A8-3870K system which in trying to get quiet enough to live under the TV ended up not coping with warmer weather.

    The 6500 (not T) has been a much better system. I went back to uATX, easier to cool, so still on the cheap AMD heatsink and it is still quieter. The 6500 idles at 1.7GHz at some stupidly low voltage, so the lowest speed is something like double what ISTR the 3870K was doing.

    So yes if the 7600 was available I would have gone for it. The fact that my server rebooted itself on a hot day rather forced the issue though, so I found myself choosing between the quad core AM1 cheap system and the 6500 on FM2+ motherboard, the platform with 4 memory sockets won.

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    Re: News - AMD to launch Kaveri A10-7800 APU

    The official AMD A10-7800 Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) announcement has just arrived on our e-doormat. You can read the full official release here.

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