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    News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Also, from now on, all feature and security updates will just dribble out on Patch Tuesdays.
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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    That will also create problems for pc's that are not connected to internet. You may think thats weird but it's true. Many pc's in my country relies on service pack as they don't have internet facility.

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    So, still no sign of the UI changes.......seems they want to drag their heels on that one......
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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    I bet people are going to love downloading 10+ years of updates near the end of support for an OS, install windows in 10min then spend a few hours downloading 5-10Gb of updates.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I bet people are going to love downloading 10+ years of updates near the end of support for an OS, install windows in 10min then spend a few hours downloading 5-10Gb of updates.
    Isn't that how it is anyway if you have an old installer?

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I bet people are going to love downloading 10+ years of updates near the end of support for an OS, install windows in 10min then spend a few hours downloading 5-10Gb of updates.
    Theres a chance it may be quicker. Service packs and roll-ups replace everything, perhaps with more granularity you will just download the latest patch rather then multiple versions. Might get rid of some of the "update layering" so that there aren't so many updates that are dependant on others to be installed first.
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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Theres a chance it may be quicker. Service packs and roll-ups replace everything, perhaps with more granularity you will just download the latest patch rather then multiple versions. Might get rid of some of the "update layering" so that there aren't so many updates that are dependant on others to be installed first.
    If anything i would have thought it would have increased the update layering, with large updates like the old service packs you could install XP service pack 3 from the get go and update from there. The new way of doing things now is going to mean install Windows 8, install Windows 8.1, reboot, install update 1, reboot, install patch A, reboot, install patch B that needed Patch A first, reboot, install patch C that needed patch B, that needed patch A, reboot, and so on.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    Isn't that how it is anyway if you have an old installer?
    I recently instaled a fresh copy of Win 7 from my original DVD. On first use after that initial install I foolishly clicked "install updates and shut down". 134 updates later.....

    But personally I don't see the big issue with this. Even if there was a big "update 2" for Win 8, people who've already bought Win 8 or 8.1 would still have to download the update 2 package after install - what does it matter if that install is one big lump or lots of individual updates? The only people it might annoy are tech support at large enterprises, who could previously have downloaded rolled up service packs to apply: but if you're any good at maintaining standard images actually you just need to make sure you update your image once a month and you should be good to go anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    If anything i would have thought it would have increased the update layering, with large updates like the old service packs you could install XP service pack 3 from the get go and update from there.
    And if you didn't have an XP service pack 3 disk?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    The new way of doing things now is going to mean install Windows 8, install Windows 8.1, reboot, install update 1, reboot, install patch A, reboot, install patch B that needed Patch A first, reboot, install patch C that needed patch B, that needed patch A, reboot, and so on.
    For starters you can buy Windows 8.1, so there's a big layer you don't need to do. And after that it's no different from any other OS update - around the time Win 7 was released an XP install for me was: install XP SP2 (that's the disk I had), potenitally download SP3 if I couldn't find the USB stick I had the IT Pro's version on, install SP3, reboot, then run about 9 rounds of update/reboot to pick up the last two year's worth of updates since SP3 was released.

    Of course, 99% of the computer using population never have to worry about this, because they buy a new computer then just let it update itself for the 5 - 8 years they'll keep it without ever worrying about how the updates are delivered. For those people, having regular small downloads is probably better than having occasional very large downloads.
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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    I wish MS would get there act together and just reintroduce the start menu, if the multitude of other companies can knock together a start menu in just a few MB I see no reason microsoft can't add one back.
    I really regret getting win 8 for my media centre PC, even more so since MS never bothered giving me the windows media centre add on they promised at the start as an early adopter.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHighwayman View Post
    I wish MS would get there act together and just reintroduce the start menu, if the multitude of other companies can knock together a start menu in just a few MB I see no reason microsoft can't add one back.
    I really regret getting win 8 for my media centre PC, even more so since MS never bothered giving me the windows media centre add on they promised at the start as an early adopter.
    Windows Media Centre was a "limited" free update for 8 Pro. I got 2 licenses for free (and annoyingly this is the reason I have to install Windows 8 first and then install 8.1, as 8.1 won't recognise the WMC code).

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    So, still no sign of the UI changes.......seems they want to drag their heels on that one......
    They're still trying to find the UI designer app in MUI...

    (ducks and runs from the pitchfork wielding Windows8 fan mob)
    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I bet people are going to love downloading 10+ years of updates near the end of support for an OS, install windows in 10min then spend a few hours downloading 5-10Gb of updates.
    I know what you're getting at - although if the Microsoft servers aren't their usual overloaded selves then 5GB is a snip for me.
    What would be handy would be if someone was able (like, ahem, Microsoft) to produce a tool that let you generate your own Update packs. So figures out what your base media was and then downloaded and sent to disk all the updates you'd need to bring it up to current spec. I'm going to guess that there's something similar out there for the corporates since last time I reimaged my PC the ISO seemed to be pretty up to date. It'd certainly go someway to solving the issue that cowboysaif neatly outlined.

    Incremental upgrades are fine with me, apart from the incessant need to do that patch/reboot cycle. Apply fix 1, reboot, apply fix 2, reboot, ad nauseum. One place where Linux is 100% better.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    WMC has been a shambles since W8. I believe they are dropping it in the next major release. Shame as my Media Browser setup (which is a WMC plugin) has recently become quite awesome but now has a finite lifespan. Guessing XBMC or MediaPortal are going to be the way forward.
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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    ....

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    And if you didn't have an XP service pack 3 disk?

    ....
    Do as I do/did .... download it, in "network" version .... ONCE. And keep it safe. From that point on, either install XP, then SP3. Or, again do as I (and millions of others did) create an XP/SP3 slipstream disk, and whenever I re-install from that point, go straight to from formatted disk to SP3.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHighwayman View Post
    I wish MS would get there act together and just reintroduce the start menu, if the multitude of other companies can knock together a start menu in just a few MB I see no reason microsoft can't add one back.

    ....
    I entirely agree, though it's not just the start menu I want. I want to be able to disable MUI entirely and operate in classic desktop mode.

    But I see that as an entirely different issue from this one. This smacks, again, of a direction of travel for MS away from a traditional PC and OS environment where we have control over our machines, in the direction of an always-on, subscription-based "service". A small step, maybe, but a step nonetheless.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I recently instaled a fresh copy of Win 7 from my original DVD. On first use after that initial install I foolishly clicked "install updates and shut down". 134 updates later.....
    So you know how bad it already is with Windows 7, but it isn't going to be a big issue
    Most people can download an official copy of Windows with the latest service pack included and burn it to a DVD, I'm guessing your average Jo won't know how to slipstream 8 years worth of updates.

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    And if you didn't have an XP service pack 3 disk?
    Download the ISO and burn it to a DVD, keep it around so you don't have to re-download it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    What would be handy would be if someone was able (like, ahem, Microsoft) to produce a tool that let you generate your own Update packs.
    Yea they used to be called XP SP1, XP SP2, XP SP3, Windows 7 SP1.

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    Re: News - Microsoft Windows 8.1 August Update isn't a big 'Update 2'

    Quote Originally Posted by this_is_gav View Post
    Windows Media Centre was a "limited" free update for 8 Pro. I got 2 licenses for free (and annoyingly this is the reason I have to install Windows 8 first and then install 8.1, as 8.1 won't recognise the WMC code).
    Yeah I know it was limited and I picked it up on release day and asked for my code a day later but still never received one. It sounds like a bit of a pain in the rear having to install win 8 before 8.1 though, yet another flaw lol

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