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    News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    New Intel Atom powered tablet is going to be available from 8th October, for £129.
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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Am I right in thinking the atom has x86 instruction sets and could run Linux or windows?

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Domestic_Ginger View Post
    Am I right in thinking the atom has x86 instruction sets and could run Linux or windows?
    Sort of. It takes a lot more than just x86 to run Windows. Android is based on a Linux kernel, but even that would take some hacking to get it usable and interesting as a Linux box.

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Yeah, but I'm not sure how locked-down it is. Does it come with any USB ports?

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    This looks pretty good for the money, read a review this can play hd media which is pretty impressive for the price. I think ill buy one .

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    onda v975w has the same CPU and runs windows 8.1. Just interested as mainly running civ IV on a cheap tablet would be OP

    Reports say its a bit laggy; other tablets can be run at lower res and get snappier. HD is great until you realise you need fast stream or all your storage to watch an episode of easyenders.

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Sort of. It takes a lot more than just x86 to run Windows. Android is based on a Linux kernel, but even that would take some hacking to get it usable and interesting as a Linux box.
    It isn't just based on the Linux kernel, that's precisely what it uses (albeit with irrelevant kernel modules omitted). Only the android init binary that the kernel calls, and the subsequent mostly java-based userspace environment which spawns from init on an android system bares very little resemblance to the one you'd find on a typical POSIX-alike Linux distribution.

    But yeah, you'd basically have to unlock and overwrite the bootloader with something compatible with the firmware of the device so you can install a generic kernel which will default to call sysvinit, or give it custom arguments to call uselessd, or it's even more useless parent systemd. If Hudl 2 uses UEFI that might be easy (assuming no locked down secure-boot) since GRUB2 and others supports that already.

    So, depends is all we can say for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    It isn't just based on the Linux kernel, that's precisely what it uses (albeit with irrelevant kernel modules omitted). Only the android init binary that the kernel calls, and the subsequent mostly java-based userspace environment which spawns from init on an android system bares very little resemblance to the one you'd find on a typical POSIX-alike Linux distribution.

    But yeah, you'd basically have to unlock and overwrite the bootloader with something compatible with the firmware of the device so you can install a generic kernel which will default to call sysvinit, or give it custom arguments to call uselessd, or it's even more useless parent systemd. If Hudl 2 uses UEFI that might be easy (assuming no locked down secure-boot) since GRUB2 and others supports that already.

    So, depends is all we can say for sure.
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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    There's a question mark over why you'd bother when there's devices such as the HP Stream 8 going for cheap with Windows 8.1 and Office pre-loaded, well other than "because we can"

    http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/29/h...ptops-tablets/

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    It isn't just based on the Linux kernel, that's precisely what it uses (albeit with irrelevant kernel modules omitted). Only the android init binary that the kernel calls, and the subsequent mostly java-based userspace environment which spawns from init on an android system bares very little resemblance to the one you'd find on a typical POSIX-alike Linux distribution.
    I was trying to simplify. However it has been a while since I looked at this, and the "Linux Deploy" app is new to me and sounds rather fun.

    http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online...evice-to-Linux

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleiades View Post
    I almost understood some of that. Almost.
    Just the phrase "Booting" comes from the impossible task of lifting yourself off the floor by grabbing hold of your bootstraps (boot laces to us in the UK) and pulling really hard, so I wouldn't worry if the details seem tricky. They are

    If you are from a Windows background you probably won't have heard of "init". On a PC the BIOS runs loader code, that loads up the Linux kernel which is the first bit of the chain of code you get when booting that you can truly call Linux.

    In a "normal" Linux box, init is a program that starts up all the services in the right order to get you a working system, and usually ending up starting the desktop manager so that you can log into the nice graphical front end that we are used to.

    In reality Init is just a program, you can write your own if you want. That is what Android does, it takes the lowest levels of Linux and replaces everything above it.

    There have been lots of init systems over the years, with sysvinit (from System V Unix) being popular for a long time, but more recently one called "systemd" has been gaining popularity. It has some advantages in things like boot speed, but some of us feel it isn't very Unix like in how it works and don't like how it is going so there is now a "uselessd" to try and strip some of the stuff out of systemd.

    So if although Android devices report a Linux kernel, there is a heck of a lot to replace to make it a normal Linux distribution.

    Clearer?

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Why only a 32GB micro SD. Surely support for a 64GB card would addnext to no (if any) cost.

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    There's a brief review of the Hudl 2 here:

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/tesco-hudl-2-review

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    I have a strict 'No Tesco' policy so it doesn't matter how good or bad it is, as I will not be indulging.

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    Re: News - Tesco launches "bigger, better, faster" hudl 2

    Quote Originally Posted by slipthemonkey View Post
    I have a strict 'No Tesco' policy so it doesn't matter how good or bad it is, as I will not be indulging.
    do you work for sainsburys?

    that review looks good mrjim, does any one else fancy this or just me.. great bit of kit for the price IMO

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