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And insufficient memory is root cause of many PC problems, says memory seller Crucial.
i noticed an inmporvement in Windows general experine by upgrading from 16 to 32gb cl10 2400mhz ram.
In a recent survey undertaken by me, all (my) problems could be solved by having money thrown at them (by you).
Indeed. Before I'd be prepared to endorse any slagging off of my fellow diagnosticians, I'd like to know exactly how the problem was presented to them. Did they get told the machine's spec? In this day and age, where multi-gigabyte machines are almost to be assumed, it would be a kind of cheating not to let them know what an under-RAMed machine had in the way of RAM. Mind you, Control Panel wouldn't be my first call. Did the survey's guinea pigs get a screen shot of Task Manager's Processes and Performance pages? Probably not, because the problem would be immediately obvious.Quote:
However it must be noted that being given a list of sickly-PC symptoms isn't the same as having an ailing computer in front of you. With the machine running, albeit slowly, and the screen on, I think many would have initially dived into the PC's system control panel to see what is installed in the PC
Funny how a company that sells memory comes to the conclusion that more memory solves everything.
A lockup as they like to call it (program crash) would be down to hardware/software failure and not lack of ram
Long as they keep selling me Tactical Tracer RAM, I really don't care what silly biassed spin they put on their marketing twaddle.
The proof of the product is in the performance... and theirs has pritty pritty lights all over it!! :D
But seriously, CBTT RAM is pretty good... or was, at the time I bought it, anyway.
I thought the exact same thing when I saw it!Quote:
Originally Posted by keithwalton
Insufficient storage speed is root cause of many PC problems, says SSD maker.
Lacking the latest & greatest GPU is root cause of many PC problems, says GPU card maker.
Slow CPU is root cause of many PC problems, says CPU maker.
Old & slow wireless is root cause of many PC problems, says WiFi router maker.
Slow internet is root cause of many PC problems, says internet supplier.
System garbage collected over time is root cause of many PC problems, says System Clean-up Tool software company.
Virus & worms are the root cause of many PC problems, says Anti-virus & security software company.
An old OS is the root cause of many PC problems, says OS company.
Insufficient cooling & power supply are the root cause of many PC problems, says cooling & PSU company.
etc.....
I'd love to have seen the original survey. Sounds rather stupid and misleading. "Lockups", without further description, aren't a symptom of low memory.
And really, trying to analyse a problem presented as text is like a support person getting a description of a PC problem from a clueless consumer. If you can't at the very least ask questions, then your ability to diagnose the problem is very limited.
Actually "lock ups" can easily be caused by low memory conditions - although this is much less likely to happen from Vista onwards. Back in the days of 98 and XP this sort of problem was all too common. Try running Windows XP on a machine with 64MB of ram (it can be done) and you can easily get lockups.
Still it doesnt detract from the uselessness and bias of this "survey". 15 years ago memory was indeed the number 1 cause of issues - it was the first thing to check whenever you had a slow machine or crashes. These days it's less common in my experience - more likely to be video card or disk related. Anyhow this survey is a case in point of how statistics can say whatever you want :)
I thought by lock up they were talking about those momentary freezes that occur when the PC is passing data to free up RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithwalton
Exactly. They can surely see how credible this actually looks coming from a memory manufacturer? Wonder how much money they spent on their super-scientific study.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithwalton
I think this is a synical survey/report intended to get people without the ability to take a few seconds to open task manager and check the ram usage history to go out and buy more RAM as a knee-jerk reaction to finding similar symptoms in their machines. The wrong answers people have given seem fair enough to me on the assumption they don't see anything from task manager for diagnosing the problem...
You mean the machine going into violent swap? If they mentioned that the hard disk light was solidly lit then it could be a clear & easy diagnosis, but without the original questions we just can't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeyboardDemon
Working in a computer shop, you should see the look of people when I say a memory upgrade can solve this, and I give them the price plus fitting. Once they get the price I have lost them they aren't willing to pay for the memory and fitting, they would just prefer to get a system reinstall. This means the problem is still their and will probably crop up again in a few month.
Most of the time it's what the customer wants over the actual solution. 9 times out of 10 they will go for the cheapest option over the best option. Which is why even the most basic new builds I do start at 8gb or ram.
I find though that 90% of problems are actually malware and no amount of memory will stop that. You would be surprised at how much crappy malware can slow a system and cause instability. I call this article BS as it seems this time they are trying to get you to buy more ram from them.
I hope it was crucial ram or you won't see the full benefit. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by xslavic
Shove 4Gb of ram into a PC for pennies and 99.99% of all "insufficient memory" problems are solved because 4Gb is more than enough for most users. 8Gb and above are really only needed for gamers and specialists - who know what they want and spec the machine for their purpose anyway.
Who specs PCs with less than 4Gb ram nowadays?
Well it is a software issue, there's too much running :p
Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about paging, swapping or whatever the proper name is, the most noticeable result for end users is that momentary freeze or lockup while the data is swapped around.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
I'm not surprised at all, but then I tend to be the person in my family that gets the call to say that someone's PC has been locked by the Metropolitan Police or they have been surfing the net and a site they were on has scanned their PC and found thousands of errors, should they buy the software that will clean their system!Quote:
Originally Posted by gstrange42
The survey sample asked "1,001 adults aged 35-70 about their ownership of personal computers (PCs), with a focus on purchasing memory for their PC" and was also structured to be neutral with gender balance aspects addressed etc. It also didn't get close to the 2,000 respondents that would make the results statistically robust.
Consequently, its likely that it questioned a lot of people who said "yes, I've got a PC and feel I know a bit about its RAM", rather than actually selecting them for people who would know the significance of RAM in a struggling set up.
The result, then, is perhaps not a surprise and just a bit of marketing - like those silly 'surveys' that Steve Wright in the Afternoon on Radio 2 (which I don't know listen to any more) mentions saying things like "men are not good at asking women out, so says a survey, blah, blah, blah".
Makesvme think of the onion article; 'My Computer Totally Hates Me!'
The reason why no one will think the problem is cause by lack of memory is because these days PC come with RAM minimum 4GB or higher which is more than the OS required .
I find it tends to be the amount of crap they install that they neither properly uninstall, nor realise they can remove from startup... which may well take up a lot of RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobolds
They didn't have to do a survey. They could've just gone to Newegg and looked at the reviews. It's amazing how many people rate their tech-level high, and then leave poor reviews because it's obvious they don't know what they are doing or how the technology they bought or computers work.
Over the years I can categorically say the largest killer of PCs is....
Installing MS updates.
a company that sells memory comes to the conclusion that more memory solves everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But... pritty pritty lights!! :D
Yeah, rather convenient that.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithwalton
Of those 1001 people I wonder how many ended up buying RAM that they didn't really need?
Also I think if we changed the title of this thread it would be true of most things, ie
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Survey: BF4 players confidence often outweighs ability
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Survey: Photoshop users confidence often outweighs ability
Or maybe it would only apply to me, however if we draw on Parito's law where 80% of users make use of only 20% of the features then I think it makes my assumption carry a bit more weight.