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Will HP really supply hardware good enough to justify B&Os pedigree?
It's a partnership, so B&O will presumably supply better sound hardware for HP's top end laptops. And yes, HP's top end stuff is pretty darned good - especially designwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaithis
Have to agree - Everyone else in the office is on Lenovo and have all sorts of problems. I Requested an HP and it's been perfect. Only trouble I have was getting Hyper-V working but that's a known issue and was fairly easily resolved from the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossyIt's a partnership, so B&O will presumably supply better sound hardware for HP's top end laptops. And yes, HP's top end stuff is pretty darned good - especially designwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaithis
I wonder what this will increase the average price by?
Good move by HP.
...BEATS, pffft. Joke.
Good to see a company partnering with an audio company that actually knows something about making audio products rather than fashion statements.
One could argue B&O don't really have a clue. They often sacrifice performance for design. They are also in the audio industry, horrendously over priced for what they offer.
They do sound good though :) At the end of the day though, a little audio processing and a badge isn't going differentiate a good sounding product from a bad one. Good on board audio from realtek offers plenty these days :)
You could argue they make sacrifices and you could argue that they are overpriced, but you cant argue that they don't have a clue.... unlike Beats.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
Beats appeal to the general market, and whether you like it or not, they're the highest grossing audio company currently. The signature beats sound clearly appeals to the average consumer, and statistically speaking, because of this, they sound better than B&O (ie if you took a thousand people, they're more likely to like beats products).
While I do enjoy B&O, I personally prefer the sound produced by Sony products amongst JBL and going more high end, Mordaunt Short and B&W. Sound is, at the end of the day, subjective.
I'm sure there's a video on YouTube where someone went round with fake beats and said that they're the new beats, and people were saying things like 'wow these are amazing, best headphones I've ever heard.' Quite embarrassing really!
The reason hey have such a high turn over is the utter lack of research and technology, how cheaply they are put together and the scale of the marketing. It has zero to do with audio quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
I personally think that even the average Joe would choose most decent alternatives in any blind test.
Same, I don't own any B&O products, its all to expensive and I know that there are much better value products.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
Says it all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
I'd be inclined to say they have done a lot of research, in the sense that they've done research as to how terrible the audio can be, without making it sound cheap.
Strangely enough, the Beats Pro are, in my opinion, a very good sounding pair of headphones. They have superb bass control and crisp sound. Reminded me of the Sony sound signature actually. They are though, over £300 I believe...
B&O is like an very up market Bose. Luck B&O i say.
Hmm, and therein lies the problem - to me most of the Beats products only really work with the pop and hiphop type, which I guess is their target audience anyway, (that and clueless idiots who want d' brandz). So if you're someone who listens to more types of music then for the price of Beats there's "better" (neutral) gear out there - from Grado, Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser and, I'm sure, a whole lot of other names.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
In reality, one should buy the headphones they like the best, rather than going by what others say. That way they can ensure they themselves like them.
I had a nightmare trying to find a pair of headphones I liked. I tried beyerdynamic, but like the 3 pairs I had had before, they arrived broken. Sennheisers sounded good, but comfort was an issue (IE80 and HD8 DJ). I'd always end up trading one thing for another. I finally settled on a pair of Sony headphones (even after the rubbish customer service I had received from them).
While I agree with pretty much most of what you said, I will have to come up and say that neutral gear isn't better than colored gear, especially considering there is very high-end gear that is colored by nature and has exceptionally accurate sound reproduction. Just because Beats are very colored doesn't make them bad, it's the awful price/performance ratio alongside focusing on design that make them the sorry excuse for audio gear that they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossyHmm, and therein lies the problem - to me most of the Beats products only really work with the pop and hiphop type, which I guess is their target audience anyway, (that and clueless idiots who want d' brandz). So if you're someone who listens to more types of music then for the price of Beats there's "better" (neutral) gear out there - from Grado, Beyerdynamic, Sennheiser and, I'm sure, a whole lot of other names.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
EDIT: When I talk of high-end gear that can have a colored signature, I mean gear that doesn't let any given frequency range bleed onto another and having excellent separation, soundstage, PRaT, etc.
Agree mostly, that's why I typed "(neutral)" maybe I should have said "(neutral?)". Where I disagree is that Beats colouration means that while they're probably quite good for their target music, you probably would want something else if you've got a more varied musical taste (and I have)Quote:
Originally Posted by tribaljet
Three broken Beyer's - you got a particularly clumsy postman? I know that they're not exactly "audiophile" but my DT660's seem pretty resilient. Sony 'phones I've got liking for - and What HiFi seems to rate the in-ear ones - but as you say the support isn't there, (especially as a lot of the Sony Centres seem to have closed).Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRockliffe
Wouldn't mind splashing out for my birthday on something a bit better than the DT660's though - at times they seem a little too eager to put the high end "in your face".