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I have already given up on HDDs in my computers. HDD still have their uses - my NAS is a prime example where multi-TB capacity is vital. Even for a gaming PC, I cannot see why I need an HDD.
The interesting thing though is that if we end up with 30TB SDDs at reasonable cost, maybe even RAID 5/6 NAS becomes an unnecessary luxury - simple mirror would be sufficient
As above, really. My main PC has no HDDs in there, just a bank of SSDs - I still have HDDs in the NAS box though.
I would love to go pure SSD and can see it happening soon (just not yet on my finances). Can't wait until a 1tb SSD hits parity with HDD!
You fair enough, but other people can't afford one of the current 1TB SSD's, or can't setup a RAID (e.g. laptop) or can't downsize their content enough to squeeze into the SSD space that they can afford.
Before everyone gets washed away on a wave of geek-drool at the thought of these large SSD's - remember that the really large kit is "enterprise only", so you're talking about astronomical price tags. Second thing, those with decent memories will remember the problems that have been with SSD's - first OCZ having a terrible rep for failures and more recently the issues with the Samsung 840 EVO's. Sure there's been similar screw ups with the HDDs way back (IBM Deathstars) but modern ones are pretty darned good.
So personally speaking, while I can't wait to replace my remaining boot/app/user HDD with an SSD, I think it'd be a bit premature at the moment. As cheesemp says, when we're talking about a small premium for the SSD then I'm in - but at the moment a terabyte disk you're talking about paying about £200 for the non-spinner. Other thing I want to do is decent consumer-grade disks above that 1TB threshold.
One point that I can't help wondering about - if SSD's are going to more or less replace HDD's in the low- to medium-capacity ranges, does that mean we'll see a dropping of price of the large size HDD's? Wouldn't mind a 4TB (or larger?) WD Green for my in-box backups.
In a free fall? Oh really?
So how much have they dropped in the last week?
They are NOT in free fall yet at all.
From my perspective, the cost-effectiveness of SSDs has clearly been improving over the last few years, and dramatically at that.
Sadly, my storage needs have been growing, too. And that negates much of the benefit of dropping cost/GB for SSDs.
For instance, replacing two 4TB with SSDs takes the cost from around £200 for the HDs to around £1000 for the SSDs. Do I get value for money from quintupling the cost? Personally, no.
It's a calculation, however, that compresses at the lower end. So what, for instance, does the average domestic user need in a PC? If it's a TB or two, the the cost differential is, in real terms, pretty nominal and the argument for going SSD much better. If they need a LOT more than that, the cost premium climbs pretty quickly. I know loads of people that have an £800 (or less) budget for the whole damn PC, never mind an £800 premium to have it entirely SSD rather than HD, and still have to buy the PC on top of that.
Iv'e been patiently waiting for an SSD with more than 1tb for a few years now, so my fingers are crossed the Hexus prediction is true !
Consumer drives (SSD & HDD) don't seem to have increased in capacity at all in the last 3-4 years. So it'd be nice to see some of these things come our way.
SSD for c: drive, apps and games. HDD for storage. Simples. That way you get the best of both worlds.
Unless the thing you'll be using the storage drive for is very specific. Such as an application that requires a lot of IOPS, hard drives are fairly useless in this situation. Or perhaps something that is very sound sensitive. I wouldn't want a hard drive clicking away if I've just specced a totally passive system.
I understand your argument and that is what I currently do but as soon as it's feasible on my income I will be ditching my hard drive for an SSD.
Personally I couldn't afford an all SSD setup as I currently have 6TB storage which all gets regular use (do a a lot of video editing with a lot of raw data).
I think my current setup is the best of both, I have a 128gb SSD split, 80gb is the OS and the rest is a cache for a 4TB raid 0 array which gets used for video file storage and games. Games which get played get cache and video streaming fast enough for editing.
Yes SSDs are getting bigger/cheaper but I can't see then replacing my mechanical drives any time soon.
I'm already planning on going ssd only on my next rig plus either a small server or a larger nas. I only use hard drives (and blu ray) to back up work and digital media so I don't actually need hard drives for my 'day to day' use, I'd actually benefit from the extra speeds of an ssd in some cases (scratch disks). I do agree that it's about time prices came down, they haven't really moved much since I bought my current ssd several years back
I have used 120Gb SSDs for years, I paid £275 for my first one back in the day but I'm not willing to pay for £250 for a reasonable 1TB SSD currently as it would be purely for games. Another problem is that I'm near 1TB in game files currently and its likely that if I want room to grow I need a 2TB SSD so....
Yeah I'm not paying for one for a while, SSDs have a good while to go yet.
Did they ever sort Trim over raid btw?
Good news for me, I'm still running purely on HDDs as SDDs simply arent affordable for me yet, if it was just a small premium for equivalent storage I wouldn't mind paying the extra, though like for like prices would be great. For now its still out of reach though.
Similar setup here - C: (SSD) OS; D: (SSD) Apps; E: (SSHD) User; M: (HDD) Backups
Originally had an old Samsung HDD as my "User" drive but it wasn't the best, switched to a WD Black to get a speed up but this was worse. Saw a good deal on the Seagate 1TB SSHD and thought "I'll give this a go". Glad I did - darn thing really moves (for me at least - ymmv). :)
Just wish Seagate did a "Pro" SSHD with a larger flash cache - with the increasing density of Flash this must be possible.
Does anyone other than Seagate offer SSHDs yet? I've had such a terrible track record with them I won't even consider using one of their drives anymore.
For most people its not going to be necessary to have a 16TB SSD people are more likely going to want 1-2TB perhaps 4TB. It would be nice to see faster SSD's rather than larger ones.
Sorry to hear that (although I don't work for Seagate so what do I care?!). If you don't mind using 2.5" drives rather than 3.5" and you don't need more than a terabyte then Toshiba's out there. Although strangely enough they SSHD a 5400rpm drive - I'd have expected a "performance" drive to be a 7200rpm one. If you patronise Scan then Toshiba MQ02ABD100H Quiet 1TB 2.5 inch Mobile Hybrid SSHD is where you'd need to look.
I refer you to the comments made above - what "most people" would like to see is an affordable drive, rather than one of huge capacity. As you say, "mainstream" large "spinny rust" drives seem to be clustered around the 2-4TB mark, so there's no real need for larger SSD's for consumers. If you were a wierdo who needs a 16TB SSD then either you'll have deep enough pockets for an enterprise one, or be able to RAID.
As to faster SSD's, no thanks - we're already having to invent new interfaces to keep up with the ones we've got now. If I got my wish then - apart from the more cost effective ones - I'd like to see some either longer lived or more reliable units. Yes, I know you can go for the low end "enterprise" ones and get 5 year claims, just wish that was the norm.
Ahh thanks, I'll have to keep that in mind in future. I can probably work around it being 2.5", the drive trays in my case have support for 2.5" drives. Would be interesting to see if the hybrid capability is powerful enough to keep the OS going strong even while the drive may be a bit slower. That said I don't exactly go high speed anyway, I'm sitting on WD Blues rather than the Blacks most people seem to recommend. That may change in the future but frankly if SSDs are getting cheaper I'll skip Blacks and go straight to SSD when theyre affordable.
I also agree on the speed point. More capacity at a more affordable price would be my goal. I currently have a 1TB WD Blue only in my PC and thats only half filled. I then have 2 WD Passports, 1x1TB for Media and 1x2TB for Games and backups (I'm on capped internet but its unmetered 12-8am so if I buy a game I download it then, make a steam backup and transfer to the 2TB passport to play later) and I believe my 1TB passport is about 50% full while the 2TB is only about 25% and thats including GTA V. I'll likely get round to using it for system backups at some point too.
So realistically speaking, I could get away with 1TB, if I wanted to keep everything internal I'd be looking at 2/3TB, 4TB would be nice for expansion and then keep the passports as pure backup drives. The speed is already getting a bit ridiculous, more speed is always good but I think we need to come up with a solid new interface on the motherboards themselves. I'm all for using PCIe if theres space on the board, but that depends heavily on the board, quite a lot of SSD users I imagine are still limited by SATA3 speeds.
I have been thinking about the 2.5 drives for a netbook I have to give it a good kick but may just go full SSD with lessor storage.
The hybrid drives do make sense but I have found using a separate drive for caching better due to the larger cache but of of course this takes up more space/SATA ports.
Do 2.5 inch 2TB SSHDs exist yet? I could do with one for my laptop and maybe PS4!
Good question @ The Hand. I searched amazon for one 6 months ago, received it, installed it then discovered it was only a 2tb hdd. Talk about misleading! & when I rechecked amazon it only said in the details that it was a regular hdd, and to rub it in, the drive clicks when it's being written to so i'm pretty sure I was sold a second hand drive :(
Only reason I have a mechanical drive myself now is that I have 2x2tb in a mirror for storage. I could shift them to a NAS but no real need since the pc can house them just fine.
If 4+tb SSD\'s come along for a reasonable price I\'ll happily jump on the wagon.
Thats why i like ebay, at least you can view the original posting. So if it had been misleading you can return it even if used. Not to mention amazon descriptions are a joke, sometimes when an item would have multiple versions you might not even know what you are buying since sometimes they don\'t even show model numbers.
So I read the article... and the guy is still quoting the same $300/tb for SSD\'s as most of us were discussing 6+ months ago. This, to me, does not denote free fall... while nowhere near as fast, for that same $300, I can easily purchase 3x3tb hdd\'s, with change enough left over to probably buy a 1tb hdd. So no, for the average user, SSD\'s still aren\'t approaching a nominal price for mass storage. If those prices fall by 1/2 by Christmas, then my attention will be piqued. Otherwise, it\'s close to clickbait.
No it was a Toshiba, a chubby little 2.5" drive which I actually use for my steam games because I need the storage space, so bring on the cheap multi TB SSD's I say lol.
@ aniilv, Yes i'd have to agree, i've been burned on both but on ebay it's happened less often and on ebay i've always got my money back. On Amazon they still owe me a refund for a faulty PSU I bought and returned. I guess it all comes down to image, even knowing ebay IS better in the back of my mind I guess Amazon has a cleaner image.
64GB SSD in ultra portables to be banned. Choose entry level 1TB and up to 8TB Surface Pro. Yay... only it won't happen any time soon.
I'm concerned about this issue: http://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/83035-unpowered-days-ssds-can-begin-lose-data/
Perhaps if this is resolved for long term off-power storage then I'd switch. Often I'm swapping machines, storage and backups around with some machines in storage for month, what would happen if the SSD lost everything?
I'll try with hybrids and wait a few years to see how this and other reliability issues are addressed or a new backup format comes to handle the volume of data.
Had a look last night (at the usual suspects) and the answer seems to be "no" unfortunately. Actually there doesn't seem to be many people actually making 2.5" 2TB drives ... period. :(
Then again, a 1TB SSHD (available) is already twice the "stock" storage for a PS4, so maybe that'd be a good halfway house?
Confused the heck out of me. I thought that the 64GB SSDs in the ultra (and tablets) was because it was eMMC (i.e. soldered onto the motherboard) rather than a discrete drive. After all that's what you get for wanting something razor thin and paper light - you have to make compromises. Ultra's that can take discrete drives seem to come with 500GB+ anyway.
All is not well in the Samsung SSD camp, especially where servers, *nix and EXT4 meet: https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/
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TL;DR
Broken SSDs:
SAMSUNG MZ7WD480HCGM-00003
SAMSUNG MZ7GE480HMHP-00003
SAMSUNG MZ7GE240HMGR-00003
Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series
recently blacklisted for 8-series blacklist
Samsung SSD 850 PRO 512GB
recently blacklisted as 850 Pro and later in 8-series blacklist
Fascinating post - thanks for sharing! :rockon:
Nice to see a post from Ted T'so in the comments - talk about going to the "head honcho". :bowdown:
Although this does nicely prove what I said in post #5 of this thread - that SSD's are still fairly "new" tech so maybe should be treated with a bit of scepticism wrt stability.
And please excuse me, I'm going to go and turn off TRIM on my Sammy 830-using Linux boxes ...
Article claims prices of ssd's are 'free-falling'. I'm sorry but that is rubbish. SSD's are still bloody expensive (£40-£50 for a 120gb ssd depending on brand). The 1TB ssd's are still costing £300+. I would like to see 2gb, 4gb, 8gb+ ssd's but I guarantee thay are going to be stupidly expensive for at least 3 years. I am currently running a 500GB ssd as my boot drive a 960gb ssd for my games. I have a pair of HDD's at 4TB each. I would like to substitute all these drives for the newer generation of 2gb+ ssd's but only if the price is right.
Since I've been using laptops exclusively for the past couple it is typical for me to only have one HD inside the machine, so I have been waiting rather patiently for a TB SSD drive to become affordable. I was quite tempted to get a hybrid drive in the past, but it looks like I might as well just go for SSD off the bat. Yes I know there are many laptops that support two or more drives especially if you are willing to do without optical drive - but I still need them, and as I do carry my laptop around now and then, I can't have a massive desktop replacement laptop.