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New GPUs arrive at test facilities for evaluation before mass production commences.
Knowing Nvidia, it'll be artificially limited to a 60% speed bump, allowing them to ramp it up later on for more premium priced fun :/
Well, if AMD stepped up to provide real competition then they'd be forced not to do it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by daddacool
I think AMD are just concentrating on not folding at the moment though...
GP100 is tesla / titan next IIRC , and arnt they waiting for HBM2 from Samsung - they haven't started in bulk yet either.
so HBM1 pascal??
Probably helping with the testing of HBM2 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by HalloweenJack
Yeah, that's called great business decisions when you're not making more than 1/3 - 1/4 what you were in 2007 and never have made that much since...LOL. When Intel's 266mil/year runs out they're making peanuts. R&D isn't free, just ask AMD who's been shrinking R&D for 4yrs due to people like you begging for cheap products and stupid management at AMD listening to that crap...ROFL. I guess you'll be happy when AMD is bankrupt. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by daddacool
More likely yields and such like as well as heat on early chips account for a lot of the 'limit' and as experience and yields increase faster speeds (and more chips obviously) mean that later chips can run faster hence new releases.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddacool
There was nothing about the shipping being the GP100
It cannot be the GP100 this early
One is the 16nm fab is new...and untested...and you can't go large and power hungry on first generation chips. Don't believe how unreliable a new fab is? Look at how long it took Nvidia to pick between Samsung and TSMC and finally siding with TSMC due to their longer working history and reliability.
Second point is...they will kill their own sales by offering their best card right at the release of the new generation. They will not be able to give any reason at all to their enthusiast market to upgrade their card within 3 years of launch. Whereas when you look at Kepler, people bought the 680, then the Titan came out, then the 780, and most people who bought the 680 eventually upgraded to those cards. And then when Maxwell launched, they started with just the 750 and 750ti. Then released the 980 that some bought, and finally after a while, the Titan X and 980ti which gave people (enthusiast market, again) a reason to upgrade.
Nvidia likes incremental upgrades. They don't want you to buy a card now, and launch another card in a year that completely destroys the card you bought. They put out one card, then 12 months later they bring out another card that is generally just 10-20% faster, so it's better than what they offered before, but not enough to **** off anyone who bought their last gen cards. And then another 6-12 months later they put out an even better card, with 50%+ better performance than their older cards, and people start upgrading again.
If on day one of the Pascal launch, if they come out with their absolute best card, they are going to have nothing interesting to bring to market for 2 to 3 years until Volta comes out. And that would be silly. Even if it were possible with the new 16nm fab. In terms of business, you need to offer a product that is a bit better than your competition, without being too much better/too costly for you. So they just need to put out a slight performance increase, but sell the card on much lower power consumption, wait for AMD to release something else, and then launch a bigger die version themselves, and back/forth they go. Just a quick reference:
FERMI
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GTX 580 = 520mm2
KEPLER
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GTX 680 = 294mm2
GTX Titan = 551mm2
MAXWELL
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GTX 750ti = 148mm2
GTX 980 = 398mm2
GTX Titan X = 601mm2
Do you see the pattern? Small, Medium, Big, restart. Don't think about it based on die size. Because it's really just about transistor count. Pascal at 16nm, even a 294mm2 sized die like the GTX 680, along with HBM2, would result in performance close to the Titan X...and perhaps even higher due to lower heat/power consumption allowing higher clocks.
Hope that helps.
The only reason die size becomes larger with age is because as the fabrication process matures you should get less errors per mm2, that allows for a large die to be cut from the same piece of silicon without encountering an unrecoverable error, at least I think that's the reason so someone maybe able to correct me if I'm wrong. :)
Pretty much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Corky34
*But*, that all ignores the rather lucrative compute market. Tesla cards need to be big die monsters, and people will pay the extra money for them. Add to that, Intel is trying to get in on that market so AMD aren't Nvidia's only competition here. Then there is the problem that if they are developing with HBM2, then they probably want prototype cards up and running as early as possible.
So this could be anything really.