Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    New GPUs arrive at test facilities for evaluation before mass production commences.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    181
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked
    7 times in 6 posts

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    Knowing Nvidia, it'll be artificially limited to a 60% speed bump, allowing them to ramp it up later on for more premium priced fun :/

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    272
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    Quote Originally Posted by daddacool View Post
    Knowing Nvidia, it'll be artificially limited to a 60% speed bump, allowing them to ramp it up later on for more premium priced fun :/
    Well, if AMD stepped up to provide real competition then they'd be forced not to do it!!

    I think AMD are just concentrating on not folding at the moment though...

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    2,567
    Thanks
    39
    Thanked
    179 times in 134 posts

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    GP100 is tesla / titan next IIRC , and arnt they waiting for HBM2 from Samsung - they haven't started in bulk yet either.

    so HBM1 pascal??

  5. #5
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    GP100 is tesla / tian next IIRC , and arnt they waiting for HBM2 from Samsung - they haven't started in bulk yet either.

    so HBM1 pascal??
    Probably helping with the testing of HBM2 as well.
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    359
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    7 times in 7 posts

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    Quote Originally Posted by daddacool View Post
    Knowing Nvidia, it'll be artificially limited to a 60% speed bump, allowing them to ramp it up later on for more premium priced fun :/
    Yeah, that's called great business decisions when you're not making more than 1/3 - 1/4 what you were in 2007 and never have made that much since...LOL. When Intel's 266mil/year runs out they're making peanuts. R&D isn't free, just ask AMD who's been shrinking R&D for 4yrs due to people like you begging for cheap products and stupid management at AMD listening to that crap...ROFL. I guess you'll be happy when AMD is bankrupt.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
    Posts
    342
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked
    7 times in 7 posts
    • kellyharding's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B550M Mortar
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen R5 3600
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb Geil
      • Storage:
      • 1TB WD Blue NVMe SSD, 2x 480GB SATA SSD, 4Tb WD BLack HDD, 2x Hiitachi 2Tb HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Gigabyte WindForce GTX 970
      • PSU:
      • BeQuiet! System Power 700W
      • Case:
      • Thermaltake Core V21
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64Bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Acer 23", Samsung SM2343BW, NEC 1970nxp
      • Internet:
      • EE 70Mbps

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    Quote Originally Posted by daddacool View Post
    Knowing Nvidia, it'll be artificially limited to a 60% speed bump, allowing them to ramp it up later on for more premium priced fun :/
    More likely yields and such like as well as heat on early chips account for a lot of the 'limit' and as experience and yields increase faster speeds (and more chips obviously) mean that later chips can run faster hence new releases.
    Desktop MSI B550M Mortar, Ryzen 5 3600, 16GB DDR4 3200, 1Tb NVMe SSD, 2x480GB SATA SSD, 4Tb + 2x2Tb HDD, 3x monitors, Windows 10 Pro 64bit
    Server MSI Z170A Gaming M7, Intel i7-6700K, 16Gb DDR 2400, 120Gb SATA SSD, 1Tb WD Black HDD, 4x 4Tb HDD in RAID5


  8. #8
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    24
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    There was nothing about the shipping being the GP100

    It cannot be the GP100 this early

    One is the 16nm fab is new...and untested...and you can't go large and power hungry on first generation chips. Don't believe how unreliable a new fab is? Look at how long it took Nvidia to pick between Samsung and TSMC and finally siding with TSMC due to their longer working history and reliability.

    Second point is...they will kill their own sales by offering their best card right at the release of the new generation. They will not be able to give any reason at all to their enthusiast market to upgrade their card within 3 years of launch. Whereas when you look at Kepler, people bought the 680, then the Titan came out, then the 780, and most people who bought the 680 eventually upgraded to those cards. And then when Maxwell launched, they started with just the 750 and 750ti. Then released the 980 that some bought, and finally after a while, the Titan X and 980ti which gave people (enthusiast market, again) a reason to upgrade.

    Nvidia likes incremental upgrades. They don't want you to buy a card now, and launch another card in a year that completely destroys the card you bought. They put out one card, then 12 months later they bring out another card that is generally just 10-20% faster, so it's better than what they offered before, but not enough to **** off anyone who bought their last gen cards. And then another 6-12 months later they put out an even better card, with 50%+ better performance than their older cards, and people start upgrading again.

    If on day one of the Pascal launch, if they come out with their absolute best card, they are going to have nothing interesting to bring to market for 2 to 3 years until Volta comes out. And that would be silly. Even if it were possible with the new 16nm fab. In terms of business, you need to offer a product that is a bit better than your competition, without being too much better/too costly for you. So they just need to put out a slight performance increase, but sell the card on much lower power consumption, wait for AMD to release something else, and then launch a bigger die version themselves, and back/forth they go. Just a quick reference:

    FERMI
    -----------
    GTX 580 = 520mm2

    KEPLER
    -------------
    GTX 680 = 294mm2
    GTX Titan = 551mm2

    MAXWELL
    ---------------
    GTX 750ti = 148mm2
    GTX 980 = 398mm2
    GTX Titan X = 601mm2

    Do you see the pattern? Small, Medium, Big, restart. Don't think about it based on die size. Because it's really just about transistor count. Pascal at 16nm, even a 294mm2 sized die like the GTX 680, along with HBM2, would result in performance close to the Titan X...and perhaps even higher due to lower heat/power consumption allowing higher clocks.
    Hope that helps.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    3,526
    Thanks
    504
    Thanked
    468 times in 326 posts

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    The only reason die size becomes larger with age is because as the fabrication process matures you should get less errors per mm2, that allows for a large die to be cut from the same piece of silicon without encountering an unrecoverable error, at least I think that's the reason so someone maybe able to correct me if I'm wrong.

  10. #10
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPUs spotted in transit from TSMC

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    The only reason die size becomes larger with age is because as the fabrication process matures you should get less errors per mm2, that allows for a large die to be cut from the same piece of silicon without encountering an unrecoverable error, at least I think that's the reason so someone maybe able to correct me if I'm wrong.
    Pretty much

    *But*, that all ignores the rather lucrative compute market. Tesla cards need to be big die monsters, and people will pay the extra money for them. Add to that, Intel is trying to get in on that market so AMD aren't Nvidia's only competition here. Then there is the problem that if they are developing with HBM2, then they probably want prototype cards up and running as early as possible.

    So this could be anything really.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •