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    Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    By 2020 everyone in the UK should have at least 10Mbps broadband.
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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Access to the Internet shouldn't be a luxury
    Does that mean we're not going to be charged VAT for Broadband?

    10 Mbps is the speed needed to meet the demands of today’s typical family and many small business
    And 10 Mbps makes it all the better to spy on you.

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    its not going to happen, crusty BT won`t give you a landline back if your job ends, and you don`t pay them, all other landlines from ISP`s just sell BT lines except virgin

    it ends up being faster and cheaper to just use EE and 3 on 3g with your cell plugged in to your desktop then most BT connections on landlines
    Last edited by me-yeah; 09-11-2015 at 11:27 AM.

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Only way this will happen is if either the government legislate and can punish the underlying carrier with a fine bigger than the investment costs, or if there are large subsidies involved.

    I can see why Virgin are against subsidies, because they know their technology isn't cost effective to install, or they would have done it in many more places by now, meaning most of the money will be handed to BT to upgrade all their cabinets to Fibre.

    The problem with "rights" is that people see it as something they are entitled to without actually having to pay proper costs for it. If it cost £1000 per fibre line to upgrade a cabinet with only a few lines on it, no one connected to it would want to pay for it.

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    As indicated in the above statement, fast broadband is now seen as a necessity; essential for families, entrepreneurs, and businesses.
    Pardon my cynicism but notice that there's no mention of government in that list. Strange given that the chancellor has been quoted as saying he wants HMG to move over to "digital delivery" of services.

    Anyone think that this won't end up as (a) a lot of hot air, and/or (b) a whacking government subsidy heading to BT with no real progress in sight?

    Actually I'd maybe be happier in the idea of subsidising OpenReach if OpenReach was either nationalised or reformed into a not-for-profit like Network Rail.

    I'm also fascinated that 10Mb/s is "Fast Broadband" - surely that kind of speed is (theoretically?) achievable with our current 4G setup. What does that make my supposed* 152Mb/s from VM - hyperspeed?

    (* very unhappy with VM at the moment - got an email from them saying I was being speed-boosted "shortly" and in the meantime the link speed has about halved. Maybe I need to move from SuperHub1 modem to something more modern).

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Quote Originally Posted by BobF64 View Post
    Only way this will happen is if either the government legislate and can punish the underlying carrier with a fine bigger than the investment costs, or if there are large subsidies involved.

    I can see why Virgin are against subsidies, because they know their technology isn't cost effective to install, or they would have done it in many more places by now, meaning most of the money will be handed to BT to upgrade all their cabinets to Fibre.

    The problem with "rights" is that people see it as something they are entitled to without actually having to pay proper costs for it. If it cost £1000 per fibre line to upgrade a cabinet with only a few lines on it, no one connected to it would want to pay for it.
    the government has paid BT £16 billion to lay down fibre, which the payouts end in a few years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Does that mean we're not going to be charged VAT for Broadband?
    That would require the EU to agree
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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Does that mean we're not going to be charged VAT for Broadband?
    That would require the EU to agree
    So we could do it if we left.. They have no right to be meddling with our affairs anyway!

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Quote Originally Posted by BobF64 View Post
    I can see why Virgin are against subsidies, because they know their technology isn't cost effective to install, or they would have done it in many more places by now, meaning most of the money will be handed to BT to upgrade all their cabinets to Fibre.
    I thought the reasons for VM not rolling out in more places was due to councils not granting permission, not wanting their roads dug up and the accompanying hassle involved with laying what they probably see as something that's already there in the form of BT cables, then again i could be talking rubbish as IDK about the inter workings of VM or councils.

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Fast internet is not a luxury, it's a right. Tell that to homeless people who have to beg for food and shelter. Or the many people who use food banks because the government make more austerity cuts. Good for a lot of people, but I think priorities are a bit wrong.

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    I'm also fascinated that 10Mb/s is "Fast Broadband" - surely that kind of speed is (theoretically?) achievable with our current 4G setup. What does that make my supposed* 152Mb/s from VM - hyperspeed?

    (* very unhappy with VM at the moment - got an email from them saying I was being speed-boosted "shortly" and in the meantime the link speed has about halved. Maybe I need to move from SuperHub1 modem to something more modern).

    This also fascinates me (100Mbps user) also. But 10Mbps is still a darn sight better than the 0.2-0.7 some of my friends currently get.

    (* on your note, I would ask VM if they will upgrade you, it can't hurt and the SH2 is far superior)

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    God this boils my urine

    No-one need 'fast' internet for anything other than watching movies or piracy. There is no difference for people if their webpages take 2 seconds of 2.1 seconds to load.
    Last edited by peterb; 09-11-2015 at 03:11 PM. Reason: Usual reason....

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Quote Originally Posted by abaxas View Post
    God this boils my urine.

    No-one need 'fast' internet for anything other than watching movies or piracy. There is no difference for people if their webpages take 2 seconds of 2.1 seconds to load.
    Oh my.... It's hard to comprehend the amount of stupidity in that comment.

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Quote Originally Posted by aniilv View Post
    Oh my.... It's hard to comprehend the amount of stupidity in that comment.
    So come on.... what do people 'need' fast internet for.....

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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Although it sounds very useful, there are possible issues around the government releasing address-specific connectivity data. If you're trying to sell your house and the government suddenly tells everyone it has rubbish mobile signal and slow broadband, and as a result the market value goes down by a few grand, you're going to be mighty annoyed!
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    Re: Cameron pledges to make fast broadband a legal right for all

    Middle of urban Manchester and I get 3Mb/s (3.5 on a good day). Good luck with that!

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