Microsoft won't support next gen CPUs in older Windows versions

[DanceswithUnix]

I think this Hexus article is timely: http://hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/89...ption-problem/

So a Microsoft product running the latest Microsoft OS has the sorts of integration issues that Microsoft are complaining might happen in 7 or 8.1, unless you update an Intel driver.

Perhaps this should read "Microsoft won't support any CPUs in any Windows versions"

[AGTDenton]

Bill gates really is a shrewd schnidy guy and only does charity for the reputation of Microsoft.

I've watched a number of his interviews regarding his foundation. He does well to not mention Microsoft and if asked about Microsoft he will often avoid the question or answer it in a way that means 'dont bother with any more questions about Microsoft'. His foundation work currently focusses on vaccinations rather than something like '1 laptop per child' so it wouldnt make sense to keep bringing up Microsoft in his interviews. I certainly don't get that vibe from the interviews I have watched.
Since Windows Vista I have personally not associted him much with Microsoft.

[shaithis]

More fuss over nothing IMO.

Hardware stops being supported at some time, this has always been the way and probably always will be.

If people don't like Windows 10, there is always Linux....or buy a Mac with a "Kaby Lake" in instead!

[Corky34]

At least with Linux or a Mac you wouldn't find yourself in a situation of having paid for 5 years of support to only later find out that you're getting 4 years 6 months.

[shaithis]

At least with Linux or a Mac you wouldn't find yourself in a situation of having paid for 5 years of support to only later find out that you're getting 4 years 6 months.

You won't with Microsoft either. They support the hardware at the time of release/install, I cannot see anything which states that the support covers all hardware released in the coming x number of years.

For years people have accepted that product x won't work on operating system y.....and it's never been a problem until Windows 10!! But I guess because some people have said there are some "privacy concerns" with Windows 10, it's fair play to rag on about every little thing they can.

[Corky34]

Mainstream support is the time during which Microsoft promised they would provide customers with Nonsecurity hotfix support, Design changes and feature requests, so yes Microsoft did promise to support all new hardware as that would fall under the design change and possibly the nonsecurity hot fix support criteria, and for Windows 8.1 that was promised until the 17th January 2017, not the 17th of July 2016.

[Saracen]

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For years people have accepted that product x won't work on operating system y.....and it's never been a problem until Windows 10!! But I guess because some people have said there are some "privacy concerns" with Windows 10, it's fair play to rag on about every little thing they can.

I've probably been as critical of MS, and Win10, as most. Or indeed, more than most. But I don't have any problems at all with this supposed lack of support.

However, threads have a habit of evolving and it's not unreasonable for people to express the view, correctly or otherwise) that this is one more piece in a bigger picture.

Yes, "privacy concerns" is a subject of concern, though it's fundamental to some and borderline irrelevant for others. Seen the latest ComputerActive mag, where the cover feature is about 52, yeah fifty two, "hidden settings" you must change because MS defaults "are not safe." Their bold, not mine.

I haven't read it so don't know how true, or hyped, that is but there must be at least some legally defendable basis for that assertion to get in past the publisher's legal team. I've had to justify far less controversial concerns to editors, in writing, oer the years, before they'd publish in body text, never mind cover art.

It does suggest, pretty clearly, that "concerns" aren't totally unjustified, and aren't purely restricted to tin hat conspiracy nuts.

For me, I'm refusing to go Win10 for two basic reasons :-

- specific Win10 issues, like mandatory updates
- concerns over the much broader strategic direction MS have taken.

That second one predates Win10 considerably. It includes decisions, sometimes u-turned, over Xbox, Kinect, Win8 and up, optional subscription models for Office, tablets, Windows phone, etc, and a whole raft of comments, statements, briefings and even tweets, coming from MS execs, over quite some years now.

And slowly, evidence has built, like a puddle on your bathroom floor from a leaky sink drain, drip by drip. Each drip on it's own is pretty insignificiant and could be an accidental splash, but the bigger the puddle gets, the better the chance you really have a plumbing issue.

I think I know where MS are going. There's no proof, and only time will prove me right or wrong, but if they're going where I think they are, which at a minimum is consistent with changes to Win10, I'm certainly not going with them.

So, time comes when we each have to decide if this salami-slicing approach, nudging users down an unclear path, is accepted, or whether we each bite the bullet and ditch MS. Doing so is a pretty big step, a drastic change, and the laws of consumer inertia no doubt justify MSs salami strategy.

But it's not just minor "privacy concerns" that worry many people. It's that bigger picture. It's the entire salami, not individual slices.

This apparent continuous PR and marketing drive to push people, slice at a time, onto the strategic path MS clearly have (though exactly what it is isn't so clear) justifies why people see this as just another salami slice, and it's not this slice but the nature of the entire salami, as a whole, that bothers them.

[TheAnimus]

At least with Linux or a Mac you wouldn't find yourself in a situation of having paid for 5 years of support to only later find out that you're getting 4 years 6 months.

You absolutely will find that out.

See my friend who I kept owning his pre-intel macbook because there were no critical security updates for his 3 year old device.

This is the polar opposite. New hardware, only on a new OS. You also didn't appear to realise the massive differences between 8.1 and 10. In particular in startup. These chipsets are really absurdly complex now, and nothing like they used to be as little as 10 years ago.

[ik9000]

You absolutely will find that out.

See my friend who I kept owning his pre-intel macbook because there were no critical security updates for his 3 year old device.

This is the polar opposite. New hardware, only on a new OS. You also didn't appear to realise the massive differences between 8.1 and 10. In particular in startup. These chipsets are really absurdly complex now, and nothing like they used to be as little as 10 years ago.

Would it simplify things then if intel stopped releasing a new chipset each time they release a new tick/node improvement? 1156 to 1155 to 1150 to.... IIRC people have demonstrated that they could have been made compatible with each other.

[Corky34]

You absolutely will find that out.

See my friend who I kept owning his pre-intel macbook because there were no critical security updates for his 3 year old device.

This is the polar opposite. New hardware, only on a new OS. You also didn't appear to realise the massive differences between 8.1 and 10. In particular in startup. These chipsets are really absurdly complex now, and nothing like they used to be as little as 10 years ago.

Sorry you've lost me with the "I kept owning his pre-intel macbook" either I'm having a bad day or that doesn't make much sense.

It doesn't matter how massive the differences between 8.1 and 10 is, not that i believe that as despite Microsoft re-versioning the kernel to better match the overlying OS Windows 10 is based on the same kernel (major version) as Windows 7, but no matter how massive the differences are it still doesn't change that Microsoft have once again gone back on their word, they promised to issue nonsecurity hotfixes, design changes and feature requests for Windows 8.1 until the 17th January 2017.

Why anyone would trust what Microsoft says is beyond me when they have consistently gone back on their word, trust is hard earned and easily lost and for me Microsoft have shown themselves to be untrustworthy.

[AzumaKazuma]

Mainstream support is the time during which Microsoft promised they would provide customers with Nonsecurity hotfix support, Design changes and feature requests, so yes Microsoft did promise to support all new hardware as that would fall under the design change and possibly the nonsecurity hot fix support criteria, and for Windows 8.1 that was promised until the 17th January 2017, not the 17th of July 2016.

What's the big deal when the upgrade to Win10 is free? This is only a problem for people who refuse to upgrade.

The only entities that cannot upgrade are organisations with legacy systems, and they'll be on Win XP anyway.

This whole debate is purely academic. There is no practical problem here.

[Corky34]

What's the big deal when the upgrade to Win10 is free? This is only a problem for people who refuse to upgrade.

The only entities that cannot upgrade are organisations with legacy systems, and they'll be on Win XP anyway.

This whole debate is purely academic. There is no practical problem here.

Maybe you need to come out from under that rock, the list for why some people can't or choose not to upgrade is huge, if you really need someone to explain those reasons then i can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to sow discord.

[AzumaKazuma]

Maybe you need to come out from under that rock, the list for why some people can't or choose not to upgrade is huge, if you really need someone to explain those reasons then i can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to sow discord.

I can't think of any reasons? Drivers maybe but it's difficult to argue the case for someone who wants to run the latest cutting edge Intel chips but is still using hardware without Win10 drivers.

Everyone complains about Win8 so when Microsoft provided Win10 for free there was a collective sigh of relief. Are people honestly happier with Win8?

What reasons do you have for not upgrading to Win10?

[Corky34]

What reasons do you have for not upgrading to Win10?

Google is your friend, although i get the feeling you already know why some people can't or won't upgrade to Windows 10.
Lets entertain the idea though that you're not being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to sow discord, for a moment, may i suggest reading some of these results.

[AzumaKazuma]

Google is your friend, although i get the feeling you already know why some people can't or won't upgrade to Windows 10.
Lets entertain the idea though that you're not being deliberately obtuse in an attempt to sow discord, for a moment, may i suggest reading some of these results.

You sound angry.

I was asking for specific reasons not to upgrade from Win8 to Win10 in 2017 because they are the specific operating systems relevant to the release of these new Intel chips. In 2017 Win7 will be legacy and Win8 approaching legacy status.

Win8 is the only OS affected by this decision. So in 2017 what reasons would you have not to upgrade from Win8 to Win10?

[Corky34]

You sound angry.

I'm not angry, it's just your attempt at trolling is so obvious.