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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    Isn't this ageist?

    ie, as you young'uns know how to work the internet you can be inconvenienced by having to go online to watch your programmes.
    I would have said that having to watch a program at a set time is being inconvenienced. Online streaming removes that restriction.

    The only thing I ever watch live now is sports......and 99% of that is football. Watching broadcast TV is annoying now.....and I am no youngster
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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Maybe the BBC need to do programmes with makeup tips, annoying spoilt brats bitching about things being unfair and, more importantly, cat fails.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
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    Eventually the TV License has to end, so the Beeb becoming subscription based is pretty inevitable. In all fairness does anyone see TV existing beyond 10 years besides for news? Programs are pretty much all repeats or hashed together clip shows with very little new content worth our time. Even now, many people have stopped watching live television, which actually negates requiring the TV license at all. If I had a choice, I'd rather pay for a subscription model to access all current episodes, as well as all previous/historic episodes (netflix/amazon), but probably would never choose to subscribe to any terrestrial channels.
    Why? Why does the licence fee need to end? What it needs is for the bbc to be able to insist on having a licence to watch iplayer.
    If they make it so you need a licence fee to watch catchup then this would mean they could infer you need a licence just because you have access to the Internet. Remember, they dont actually need to catch you watching live TV to start a prosecution, they can infer you are watching live tv by the setup you've got when they come calling and you let them in.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Why not totally remove all regulation of live and streamed TV.

    Lets see how crap it actually would get.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    ... many are legitimately not paying a license but still enjoying the content which surely is the loophole they need to close ...
    I wouldn't call it a loophole - it's simply that the model under which the TV license was introduced is now irrelevant, and no-one's bothered to re-cast the intention to meet modern delivery methods.

    Here's the thing - if the iplayer phenomenon was really a big issue we'd see the total number of licenses in force drop since 2007, when it came in. But they haven't: http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/f...d-figures-AB18

    I'm sure the BBC will review the license fee and what steps they want to take, if any, to cover iplayer and catch up services. But there are much bigger issues for them than a handful of people who have decided they can wait an hour to watch their favourite programs. There will always be people who evade the license fee, and there will always be people who find a legal way to work around the license fee. It's up to the BBC, and the government, I guess, to decide what to do about that.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I would have said that having to watch a program at a set time is being inconvenienced. Online streaming removes that restriction.

    The only thing I ever watch live now is sports......and 99% of that is football. Watching broadcast TV is annoying now.....and I am no youngster
    I partially agree, but its nice being able to record what I want to watch from any channel and go to a central library to watch said recordings.

    ie there has been some documentary's on BBC 3, when I saw and advert I pressed guide, found it and hit record, later I press recorded TV and look what I have recorded and watch something.

    Now I have to remember there may have been something interesting on BBC 3, switch to internet, go to iplayer, find programme and press play to watch it in a lessor quality.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I wouldn't call it a loophole - it's simply that the model under which the TV license was introduced is now irrelevant, and no-one's bothered to re-cast the intention to meet modern delivery methods.

    Here's the thing - if the iplayer phenomenon was really a big issue we'd see the total number of licenses in force drop since 2007, when it came in. But they haven't: http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/f...d-figures-AB18

    I'm sure the BBC will review the license fee and what steps they want to take, if any, to cover iplayer and catch up services. But there are much bigger issues for them than a handful of people who have decided they can wait an hour to watch their favourite programs. There will always be people who evade the license fee, and there will always be people who find a legal way to work around the license fee. It's up to the BBC, and the government, I guess, to decide what to do about that.
    I haven't researched this, so I could be wrong, but I believe that when the BBC agreed to shoulder the cost of OAP TV licenses, part of the agreement included reviewing the current requirements for a TV license - the implication being that iPlayer would be brought into scope.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I partially agree, but its nice being able to record what I want to watch from any channel and go to a central library to watch said recordings.

    ie there has been some documentary's on BBC 3, when I saw and advert I pressed guide, found it and hit record, later I press recorded TV and look what I have recorded and watch something.

    Now I have to remember there may have been something interesting on BBC 3, switch to internet, go to iplayer, find programme and press play to watch it in a lessor quality.
    fair point. that sucks

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by abaxas View Post
    Why not totally remove all regulation of live and streamed TV.

    Lets see how crap it actually would get.
    the answer is very. Anyone seen some of the freeview channels past about number 20?

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    I never watched BBC3 . Won;t make any difference to me

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    I rarely watch "TV" on my TV. BBC are better doing this as i watched orphan black and in the flesh on BBC iplayer on my TV..When i felt like watching them.(Why the fek did they cancel in the flesh?...)

    Channels like ITV,STV have no clue what people want.On their TV channels they have ads and also on the iplayer so i don't watch those channels apart from the news and the chase .

    I watch Netflix,Amazon instant,Now TV mostly.I can't stand ads in my life..Seriously if i want something i research the best product and then buy it.

    If going online saved then 30 million its a good move... you can access bbc iplayer on your TV So i don't see why anyone would complain about it. I watch all my TV shows when i want on my TV with no ads..

    If BBC started charging for BBC iplayer i would not use it.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    There are 121 employees of the BBC who recieve £150,000 a year or more in pay/expenses, thats a minimum of £18,150,000 fromm the license fee a year and of course there are those highly paid who appear on the screen (heard Nick Robinson label junior doctors as "greedy" the other day, wonder how much he earns for his "life saving job" and some of those doctors helped no doubt in his throat cance treatment) who are paid way to much.
    I am not a believer in the "you have to pay to get the best talent" scenario as there are only so many jobs at executive level, so BBC try paying a bit less. If someone decides to go elsewhere there is always someone coming up to fill their shoes.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    When i compare what i pay per month for the license fee versus Virgin medias offerings I'm left wondering if VM is either really bad value for money or the licenses fee is good value.

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    vm is bad value. Can't believe people fall for it!

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    I've been with them many years and i guess apathy has kept me with them, it was mainly for the internet connectivity, cable vs ADSL, but recently I've been thinking of dumping their TV and just opting for Freeview as Sky doesn't seem much better when it comes to value for money for TV.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    It took one year of cable TV (telewest, before the VM takeover) to convince my family that TV wasn't worth paying for at all. Since then (well, since iplayer was released) I've watched maybe 50 hours of TV on iplayer, in total - most of that being QI!

    There are wording issues with bringing catchup TV under the license fee: currently watching any broadcast TV requires a license; if they made the TV license cover all catch up TV they'd face challenges from other channels about interference with their delivery of commercial services; OTOH if they made it apply only to BBC iplayer there'd be questions raised about the discrepancy between the online licensing and the broadcast licensing (i.e. why should you have a TV license if you never watch BBC).

    It strikes me as a very thorny knot to work through: how do you fund a national broadcaster that's meant to be independent of the government?

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