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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    It took one year of cable TV (telewest, before the VM takeover) to convince my family that TV wasn't worth paying for at all. Since then (well, since iplayer was released) I've watched maybe 50 hours of TV on iplayer, in total - most of that being QI!

    There are wording issues with bringing catchup TV under the license fee: currently watching any broadcast TV requires a license; if they made the TV license cover all catch up TV they'd face challenges from other channels about interference with their delivery of commercial services; OTOH if they made it apply only to BBC iplayer there'd be questions raised about the discrepancy between the online licensing and the broadcast licensing (i.e. why should you have a TV license if you never watch BBC).

    It strikes me as a very thorny knot to work through: how do you fund a national broadcaster that's meant to be independent of the government?
    I think it could just ask a simply question (do you have a TV license?) from there if you press yes when you don't then they have a water tight case.

    Not looked at my TV license in a while but I guess there is a unique number/reference (it not I am sure it could be added).

    From there force a simple account setup which requires the reference and postcode. Then just monitor if any details are being used way too much and shut them down.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I think it could just ask a simply question (do you have a TV license?) from there if you press yes when you don't then they have a water tight case.

    Not looked at my TV license in a while but I guess there is a unique number/reference (it not I am sure it could be added).

    From there force a simple account setup which requires the reference and postcode. Then just monitor if any details are being used way too much and shut them down.
    Would a tiered licence fee help i.e. a the moment there are B&W and colour rates, it just needs iplayer adding - and for how many devices or alternatively viewing hours.

    So those with no desire for online pay as normal.

    What does the average house have? 2 TVs a tablet, couple of PCs - say 5 MAC addresses

    possibly an easier way is a set number of hours per month for a given licence number - beyond which you need to pay more. That way if you choose to watch on holiday or whatever it is easier than trying to de-and-re-register devices.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post

    Would a tiered licence fee help i.e. a the moment there are B&W and colour rates, it just needs iplayer adding - and for how many devices or alternatively viewing hours.

    So those with no desire for online pay as normal.

    What does the average house have? 2 TVs a tablet, couple of PCs - say 5 MAC addresses

    possibly an easier way is a set number of hours per month for a given licence number - beyond which you need to pay more. That way if you choose to watch on holiday or whatever it is easier than trying to de-and-re-register devices.
    And what of those of us with no desire even for the "normal"? Should we still be forced to pay? The quicker that people accept that the exiting model is dead, the quicker we can get better programming suited for our needs.

    You're also probably out with the "Average house" there. DVD, BluRay, Set-top-boxes/media streamers, home cinema systems and phones. There are probably between 8-10 MAC addresses in my house as it is (ignoring the router/modem), and all of them could potentially stream iplayer. Factor in kids, and the numbers jump significantly.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    ... simple account setup which requires the reference and postcode. ...
    Yes, the BBC could do that - they've had the technical capability for years. They could easily do that right now for authorising live streams of BBC channels, and it would be entirely within the existing TV license remit, which requires a license if you stream a program as it is being broadcast. But going down that line would make them a de-facto subscription broadcaster: something they are very much NOT meant to be. That's why I said it's a thorny knot: get too prescriptive and you become a commercial subscription broadcaster, get too lax and you risk losing revenue (and face).

    The current director general wrote an interesting piece gave an interesting speech - largely on maintaining the independence of the BBC - in which he mentions the public at least 10 times. It's interesting because it tangentially touches on the funding question in two ways and gives an indication of the way the BBC itself might want to go. Firstly, it affirms the BBC as a publicly-funded institution. That means that have to be *very* careful about hiding parts of their service - and particularly their broadcast rosta - behind a subscription paywall. Secondly, it talks about wanting deeper public engagement, and a public voice in the shaping of the BBC. That - to me at least - sounds like a huge carrot to persuade people to buy their license: because those kinds of online voting and decision making processes could easily and legitimately be limited to license payers. Essentially the BBC would become an open publicly-owned organisation in which anyone could buy voting rights through the TV licensing scheme.

    Now that could be an interesting approach...

    Transcription of the speech available at https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourbee...-to-creativity
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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Yes, the BBC could do that - they've had the technical capability for years. They could easily do that right now for authorising live streams of BBC channels, and it would be entirely within the existing TV license remit, which requires a license if you stream a program as it is being broadcast. But going down that line would make them a de-facto subscription broadcaster: something they are very much NOT meant to be. That's why I said it's a thorny knot: get too prescriptive and you become a commercial subscription broadcaster, get too lax and you risk losing revenue (and face).

    The current director general wrote an interesting piece gave an interesting speech - largely on maintaining the independence of the BBC - in which he mentions the public at least 10 times. It's interesting because it tangentially touches on the funding question in two ways and gives an indication of the way the BBC itself might want to go. Firstly, it affirms the BBC as a publicly-funded institution. That means that have to be *very* careful about hiding parts of their service - and particularly their broadcast rosta - behind a subscription paywall. Secondly, it talks about wanting deeper public engagement, and a public voice in the shaping of the BBC. That - to me at least - sounds like a huge carrot to persuade people to buy their license: because those kinds of online voting and decision making processes could easily and legitimately be limited to license payers. Essentially the BBC would become an open publicly-owned organisation in which anyone could buy voting rights through the TV licensing scheme.

    Now that could be an interesting approach...

    Transcription of the speech available at https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourbee...-to-creativity
    The general public deciding how a major public organisation is run through an election process? Yeah great - that worked so well with recent governments the public elected didn't it!

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    How many viewers do you think the channel will lose by going online only?

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    I'll be less inclined to watch it now. I watched it more as a default veg-out option without the annoying adverts of Dave. to go online to seek it out there are fewer shows i'd do that for. On the upside we do now have a fire stick so can now watch iPlayer on the telly

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Lots of the 'good stuff' on BBC is produced by independant production companies that sell it to the BBC. This content will not disappear, it will just appear on another channel. If it doesnt, then there is no market for it. In which case why should the entire nation fund things that nobody watches.
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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironbuket View Post
    Lots of the 'good stuff' on BBC is produced by independant production companies that sell it to the BBC. This content will not disappear, it will just appear on another channel. If it doesnt, then there is no market for it. In which case why should the entire nation fund things that nobody watches.
    Because on of the good aspects of the BBC is that it doesn't just produce or commission populist programmes. It's remit is to appeal to a wide range of audiences, even small ones, that would not attract sufficient advertising revenue to justify its production on an advertising funded model.

    The licence fee is categorised as a tax, but like all taxes you don't necessarily use the services you pay for. Pay income tax but no children? Tough, you still pay for schools. Send them to private schools, tough, you still pay for state education. Same goes for health, agriculture and a whole raft of other services. They are paid for the common good.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

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    Because on of the good aspects of the BBC is that it doesn't just produce or commission populist programmes. It's remit is to appeal to a wide range of audiences, even small ones, that would not attract sufficient advertising revenue to justify its production on an advertising funded model.
    I agree with all that, but this is not needed now we have YouTube et al. If you want to watch video on a South African blind darts tornament you can go find that on the internet. If the issue is that you want the BBC to fund South African blind darts tournaments and provide professional coverage because nobody else will, I dont think it suitable for the BBC to make the choice for us which minorities we wish to fund. I may be a fan of South American blind darts!

    Im not against the BBC continuing, but they should seek their own funding like any other charity. Then they can spend their OWN money on whatever they want.
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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironbuket View Post
    I agree with all that, but this is not needed now we have YouTube et al. If you want to watch video on a South African blind darts tornament you can go find that on the internet. If the issue is that you want the BBC to fund South African blind darts tournaments and provide professional coverage because nobody else will, I dont think it suitable for the BBC to make the choice for us which minorities we wish to fund. I may be a fan of South American blind darts!

    Im not against the BBC continuing, but they should seek their own funding like any other charity. Then they can spend their OWN money on whatever they want.
    they're not a charity. They are a public funded broadcaster.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    I'll be less inclined to watch it now. I watched it more as a default veg-out option without the annoying adverts of Dave. to go online to seek it out there are fewer shows i'd do that for. On the upside we do now have a fire stick so can now watch iPlayer on the telly
    Same here to a point, it was a good veg out channel along with e4 and dave to name a few and most of my watching it was just while scrolling through the guide. Probably won't know whats on now and can't be bothered finding out.

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    Re: BBC Three moved online only saving corporation £30 million

    Remember that a large chunk of the license fee goes on maintenance of the broadcast infrastructure used by ALL broadcasters. No more license fee, no more OTA TV for you, from anyone.

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