Read more.Epic Games co-founder doesn't like how the Universal Windows Platform is shaping up.
Read more.Epic Games co-founder doesn't like how the Universal Windows Platform is shaping up.
No one should sell their apps or games or whatever there. There is NO reason at all to do it. You can still sell the games in retailers, their own websites and services and parties like GoG.com and others.
Stuff like this makes me want vulkan to take off even more.
I would move to Linux in a heartbeat if I had an nvidia graphics card or AMD sorted out their openGL performance (unlikely considering theyre probably focusing on vulkan now).
Need my world of warships... need my armored warfare I can run everything else (visual studio) in a VM.
If this was sour grapes then Sweeney's protestations could have, would have been directed at all the stores that take a cut like Steam Origin, and GOG.Are Sweeney's protestations made genuinely on behalf of the Windows games and app developers out there, or simply sour grapes over the Windows Store fees? Please let us know your thoughts, in the comments section below.
Sweeney is just the latest developer to join a growing list of people that can see the potential threat of Windows 10 and its UWP Store, Gabe Newell saw the dangers along with many of us mere mortals that get accused of being tin foil hat wearers for voicing concerns, how much longer are Microsoft going to offer support for win32 binaries, are win32 binaries going to die to thunderous applause when Microsoft say it's going to end support because of X, Y, Z.
Hmm...unification...allowing a developer to create one application that could potentially fully capably run on 6 platforms giving you 6 revenue streams without you have to recompile and test your application 6 times?
Goodness me it's almost like it's socialism and we all know socialism is bad because it helps us help them at a paid service.
The big bad skydows is taking over people, get out your shotguns and plasma rifles.
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Yet it's interesting how he doesn't rail against Apple's walled garden...
1) please don't swear: not even with starred out letters or words. There's usually some way to express yourself without resorting to profanity...
2) don't think MS are doing this for anyone else's benefit. This way they tie people into their ecosystem and make money out of it. The same program can run on six different devices? That's six different markets MS can sell that program in. And that isn't socialism, not by any stretch of the imagination.
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Well it's definitely not completely capitalism that's for sure.
Again I just can't help but think that having a holistic ecosystem is better than a fragmented ecosystem in any environment. Why are people against a 1 for all system if it's provided by Microsoft when you have Apple and Google doing similar/same.
Are Microsoft wanting to terminate Win32 since it's impacting their movement forwards in technological and software development? Probably. Are they wanting to terminate it to stick it to their goats and sheep who use their products? Could be. Are they doing it because it's the next step in making a next generation OS that can move forwards with the integrated technology of tomorrow. Yes.
Seems like a storm-in-a-teacup again......and a bit sensationalist with the wording.
No one has to release games or apps on UWP. There are plenty of other ways to deploy your software....in fact many would argue that there are already too many ways!
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I grow more worried about Microsoft's direction which each new bit of info we hear it seems. UWP seems very concerning, and its even more concerning that some of the MS store nonsense is actually part of DX12 itself.
The idea of being able to play xbox exclusives like Halo on pc (though I worry its an excuse for a lazy port) interests me, but the cost to PC seems far too great currently. It seems to me they want PC to fill the role of a more powerful XBox. A system they have full control over, pushing their MS Store as heavily as they can. Just went and read up on some of the more recent news about DX12 and the MS Store and such on the big pcper article, and its very concerning indeed.
A good bit of backlash is certainly what we need right now. Fair enough if Microsoft wants a piece of the pie, but it seems like they'd quite happily take the whole pie. Much as I don't even like the current DRM clients we have going, I wouldn't mind Microsoft creating a new GFWL so long as it followed the good practices of the other clients, but in typical Microsoft fashion theyre doing quite the opposite.
Edit: As others have said though, theres currently no reason what so ever to use the store, especially for dedicated pc titles, and I think even if the store gains prominence there will be "proper" pc releases and then a separate multiplatform release, for say Halo and such. The problem is that theres the potential there for Microsoft to abuse it in future, and it's the "what if the store does gain prominence" that is most concerning.
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I'm not entirely sure I agree with this sentiment, but even if it is, I don't think the correct means of providing that backlash is to say "Wah wah, it's not fair, Microsoft are developing Windows how they want it to be, someone make them stoooop!" (which is, as far as I can see it, what Sweeney's argument amounts to). Surely the answer to someone trying to stifle competition is to develop a competitive alternative product.
Now, if only there was some other desktop x86-compatible OS that's been around for a couple of decades so has a very mature codebase, that lots of people want to use, and has all the hooks there to be the base of a great gaming system if only enough commercial developers would back it to succeed....
Funnily enough, someone mentioned this to Sweeney on twitter but the response is unfortunately not what you might hope for. Not to say other major players aren't considering it though.
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/s...39920447565824
And in regards to competition, just my view but competition doesn't really seem to bother Microsoft. They kept GFWL running long after it should have died off, and were actively releasing new games on the service regardless for a while, until eventually they conceded and left current games running on it while not releasing new ones on the service and eventually killing it.
It's entirely possible the store in fact won't kick off at all, since it has very little unique to offer, and in fact some things to lose, aside from the gain of Xbox titles. I just think its a little underhanded that some of the changes MS wished to make for their "app store" versions of the games were also followed through into DX12. The idea of the game itself being sandboxed for example but allowing multiple layers to overlay each other has both good and bad points. Bad in that it can (and by the sounds of it already has) broken applications such as MSI Afterburner, FRAPS, GeForce Experience etc interacting with games is certainly a loss, the "forced" vsync I also personally find to be a loss, though Nvidia drivers have apparently worked around it already. On the other hand the suggestions I've heard of say, having the game's HUD on a different layer, rendered at a lower framerate so the game itself has more power to play with seems like a good idea.
It really depends on how MS choose to play with these new powers theyre granting themselves. In theory as you say, there is a viable competitor out there if the industry supports it, so Microsoft shouldn't be able to go too wild without risking PR disaster.
I'm all for the unification aspect of UWP, some of the other changes from Microsoft I don't agree with however. Some of it will be a case of adapting with time for the better, some will be genuine changes for the worse.
Last edited by jag272; 04-03-2016 at 04:41 PM.
OMG, that analogy is SO BAD it's not even funny. MS is changing its way of doing things. There is no invasion. I ... just ...
In a better, and more topical, analogy, focusing on linux would be more like saying "If Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada". Hm.
I don't understand the fuss over UWP sideloading being off by default. If a user isn't competent to change the settings to allow it, are they competent to decide which programs they can safely load to their phone or tablet? Considering the stick MS get over security, it seems a sensible and cautious idea.
I'm a bit conflicted over this. On the one hand, it does rather come across as sour grapes over conflicting vested interests. On the other hand, it does fit perfectly with what concerns me most about MS.
Well, exactly.
MS started ringing warning bells with me when they took the decision on the release of Win8 to try to force users into the MUI mindset and interface. At the time, I kept saying that that, and other moves like always-on, always-connected, always-listening Kinect in XB360, were indicative of what appeared to be a direction of travel, that MS appeared to have radically changed objectives, and were on a path, the direction of which I didn't like.
And at that time, it won't come as any surprise to regulars to be reminded that I didn't like the UI changes one bit. Part of that was the Start button farago, and lots of comments at that time couldn't see what the fuss was about. As I kept saying, it was more about the mindset which lead MS to "force" users to their new UI mindset, for THEIR reasons, that being cross-platform marketing.
Since then, one thing after another reinforces my view that what really stinks, and by 'eck it really pongs like concentrated essence of untreated sewage, is that apparent "direction", which is about locking down, and locking in, users to the MS ecosystem.
Perhaps the single move that reeks the most is enforced updates in Win10. That absolutely hands control of your desktop PC to MS. This is another step on the path, a brick in the wall. How much further will MS take this progression to locking users in, and locking them down? How long before they start forcing data storage onto MS cloud storage, for example? Oh, they'll dress it up prettily, at least initially I'm sure, but the objective seems to be get more and more control over more and more aspects of our IT lives. When one step after another all seem consistent with that, it rapidly gets to the point where it all being coincidentally in line that that strategic direction pushes the bounds of credibility beyond breaking.
It's no secret that I dumped Windows a while back, retaining some legacy systems and moving everything else to Linux. All I can say to Win10 users is that the warning signs have been there for several years, and the writing on the wall. Each further step in the direction of MS acquiring more and more control over what's supposed to be a "personal" computer should not be coming as any surprise, and it looks rather like we all have a binary choice - suck it up, or quit the Windows ecosystem.
Yet Microsoft cannot take control or else they lose pretty much all their enterprise customers......which is where the majority of their profit comes from. So this does not compute and I have yet to hear a decent counter to the point.
The same applies to why they won't look at your data. The moment they do, any self-respecting company will drop Microsoft products like the proverbial hot potatoes.
UWP will be the same. If they take control away from devs, devs won't use it - simples.
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