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    TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    Accelerated roadmap will see 15 customers with 7nm chip designs taped out in 2017.
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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    So what 2 years before Intel, I know Intels process nodes are technically better / smaller but this seems big, have Intel ever been beaten to a process node before?
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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    beating intel will not be a walk in the park, currently intel leads in producing 14nm chips at a massive scale since Q1 last year.

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    beating intel will not be a walk in the park, currently intel leads in producing 14nm chips at a massive scale since Q1 last year.
    When are they making 10nm chips? 2017 last I heard.

    http://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/...dragon-is-10nm

    So perhaps their lead is gone. In truth I am not sure Intel care about silicon any more as it becomes hard after 7nm. If they can steal a lead on the next material, whatever that turns out to be, then that would be more impressive.

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    The problem with every die shrink now is that it's taking longer to get yields to a level where it becomes cheaper than the previous generation. This is especially true for large CPU and GPU designs.

    I'm sure Intel could have met the original launch date for 10nm if they were willing to sacrifice margin due to low yields, but it's not in their interest to do so.

    For TSMC it's slightly different, as they can offer a process with lower yields - it's up to the customer whether they choose it or not. It may make sense for some simpler designs where yields may be at an acceptable level, but not for larger designs where the defect rate becomes too high.

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    TSMC has been promising year of year on time process that never happens.
    Almost sounds like a broken record

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by xLegendary View Post
    TSMC has been promising year of year on time process that never happens.
    Almost sounds like a broken record
    Exactly this.

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    Haha the Broken record!

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    Broken wafer.

    However it does seem that both TSMC and Samsung are bullish about 10nm and 7nm afterwards, whereas Intel have had scaling issues with 14nm, only recently making larger dies and supposedly fixing yield issues. Hopefully for them this means they can make progress on 10nm for next year now.

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    Re: TSMC tells shareholders: 7nm mass production starts in H1 2018

    I build specialist gas analysers for a living, we are the only company that can handle all the UHP gas analysis for semiconductor fabs, judging by our orders a lot of work is going on around the world updating their capability. We are undertaking method development looking at ppt to low ppb impurity measurements of a wider range of impurities, I assume this is to increase yield.

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