AMD RX 480 die size around 220mm² going by leaked shots?

[HEXUS]

So says our trusty ruler and a bit of maths.

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[eiamhere69]

I said this a LONG time ago. You can't talk about anything now-a-days without everything blowing up into a fanboy war.

The simple fact is, as stated, Nvidia only really released a mid range product (by AMD standards anyway / at this point) and are charging a hefty premium.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Seems to tally with the 232mm2 figure which was leaked a while back.

[cheesemp]

This NDA for the 480 can't end soon enough (I've been lead to believe it ends on the 29th). I'm ready to buy my first new GPU in 7 years (having had a hand me down 285GTX and 580GX in the mean time). I think this is the right card for me but this NDA is really frustrating!

[kalniel]

Roughly Pitcairn sized again

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This NDA for the 480 can't end soon enough (I've been lead to believe it ends on the 29th). I'm ready to buy my first new GPU in 7 years (having had a hand me down 285GTX and 580GX in the mean time). I think this is the right card for me but this NDA is really frustrating!

Gibbo on OcUK made a hint they might have already received stock,and we already had some leaks from system builders.

[Tarinder]

Hello all,

In an ideal world, what other cards would you like it compared to, to give you the best understanding of where it fits into the graphics landscape from a performance point of view?

PS, I can categorically say that I don't have a sample just now, so no asking about any details.

[kalniel]

Hello all,

In an ideal world, what other cards would you like it compared to, to give you the best understanding of where it fits into the graphics landscape from a performance point of view?

Thanks for asking - really appreciate it! In an ideal world I'd like to see:
vs
7870 - ie first ~220mm^2 of the 28nm node - would show how far we've come and the improvement in 14nm node (ie a whole node comparison)
380X - last of the 28nm node at the same market segment as 480 is targeting (ie a one generation comparison)
390X - best GDDR5/volume performer from AMD currently

and on the green side:
970 - looks like this will be the current price competitor to the 480
980 - to see how close AMD's $199 chip gets to a much more expensive last gen card
1070 - 'slowest' of nVidia's new chips to date - will allow for cross review scaling when the eventual competitor to the 480 comes out.

If time/resources permit, also the R9 Nano and Fury X to flesh out the competitive landscape further, but comparisons are harder to make due to the change in tech.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Kalniel,you forgot the GTX960 - it is the closest competitor to the R9 380X(I also have that card too). It is also probably one of the most popular sub £200 cards too.

[kalniel]

Kalniel,you forgot the GTX960 - it is the closest competitor to the R9 380X(I also have that card too). It is also probably one of the most popular sub £200 cards too.

Yeah I considered it, but not sure it's as much a competitor to the 480. If space then worth considering as probably the most popular mainstream-gamer card currently in use - a question you might ask is whether it's still good enough or if there is so much gap that current 960 owners would consider upgrading. I'd definitely include it in a nVidia 1060 review though for the similar generational reason.

[cheesemp]

Hello all,

In an ideal world, what other cards would you like it compared to, to give you the best understanding of where it fits into the graphics landscape from a performance point of view?

PS, I can categorically say that I don't have a sample just now, so no asking about any details.

I'd love to see it compared to my aging 580GTX but that's just a personal request. Kalniel's suggestions are far more relevant. Knowing which current card it most like performance wise would be good - I've seen rumours of everything from a 970 to 980/390. That's quite a gap. Its also rumoured to overclock well (which might account for the different benchmarks) - if so I'd love to know how reference vs a good cooler (i.e a MSI frozr) compares for OC'ing.

[Bagnaj97]

Hello all,

In an ideal world, what other cards would you like it compared to, to give you the best understanding of where it fits into the graphics landscape from a performance point of view?

PS, I can categorically say that I don't have a sample just now, so no asking about any details.

Kalniel's suggestions look good, but I'd like to add that as the RX480 is <150w and has a single 6-pin connector it might be nice to compare to the current fastest single 6-pin card (Would that be GTX 960, or is there a single 6-pin 970?). Googling for "fastest single 6 pin gpu" suggests it's a fairly common question and a lot of lower end PSUs only come with a single 6-pin connector.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah I considered it, but not sure it's as much a competitor to the 480. If space then worth considering as probably the most popular mainstream-gamer card currently in use - a question you might ask is whether it's still good enough or if there is so much gap that current 960 owners would consider upgrading. I'd definitely include it in a nVidia 1060 review though for the similar generational reason.

The GTX960 until the recent price drop this week,was priced quite close to the R9 380X,and even if the RX480 is a bit more expensive,it will give a potential upgrader information on what spending a bit more might get them in added performance.

Also,as Bagnaj97 says the GTX960 and RX480 might be close in TDP and power requirement classes.

Kalniel's suggestions look good, but I'd like to add that as the RX480 is <150w and has a single 6-pin connector it might be nice to compare to the current fastest single 6-pin card (Would that be GTX 960, or is there a single 6-pin 970?). Googling for "fastest single 6 pin gpu" suggests it's a fairly common question and a lot of lower end PSUs only come with a single 6-pin connector.

Yep,that would be the GTX960 - know a few people with Dell PCs,etc who got a GTX960 for that reason.

[DanceswithUnix]

Hello all,

In an ideal world, what other cards would you like it compared to, to give you the best understanding of where it fits into the graphics landscape from a performance point of view?

PS, I can categorically say that I don't have a sample just now, so no asking about any details.

I think there are two sets of numbers I want to see:

1/ Is it worth me upgrading. If it isn't significantly faster than my 380, then it isn't worth £200 of my money.
2/ If it is worth upgrading, is it actually the fastest card in it's class.

The first is tricky, perhaps an article in its own right as people have different cards going back 5 years. But given the card isn't the fastest thing on earth, that limits the purchasing market to people who own stuff slower than a 390 plus a few who really care about power consumption.

So I would go for some upgrade from targets like the 760, 960 and 370, 285/380, and then some similar performance mainstream cards like the 390, 390X, 970 & 980. Would be nice to have some top end cards in there as well, Fury and 1080, but I expect everyone will do that. Top end would only really be relevant if you can get crossfire 480 cards benched to see if that really helps.

[cptwhite_uk]

Tarinder:

AMD cards: HD 7870 or R9 270X / R9 380X / R9 390 / R9 Fury
Nividia cards: GTX 760 Ti / GTX 770 / GTX 960 / GTX 970 / GTX 1070

Basically a mix of cards people might consider upgrading from (7870 / 270X / 760 Ti / 770), cards likely competing in it's price range (R9 380X / R9 390 / GTX 960 / GTX 970) and some cards from the (albeit large) "next step up" price wise.

[kalniel]

Basically a mix of cards people might consider upgrading from , cards likely competing in it's price range and some cards from the (albeit large) "next step up" price wise.

I think that sums up a sensible rationale and should definitely include the 960 if going for that. I think most sites will be doing something similar. Some of my suggestions aren't good for that, but are more for answering interesting (to me) questions about node improvements and so on, which probably aren't so interesting to everyone out there, just us forum nerds