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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarinder View Post
    No comment. You'll here nothing from me, either way, until July 19.
    Fair enough. My card is due for release on 22nd... Its going to be tight but I can always return it I guess and I can't see the 1060's hitting £250 for a while yet.
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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by c12038 View Post
    Still its a Barfed card with power consuption issues at an hardware level and according to whats being read on other forums poeple have suffered hardware failures due to this issue...

    Whats the comment on this AMD ..... Rembursment for hardware damages due to lack of Due diligence on your part...
    Sounds extraordinary; such claims demand evidence, where is it? Given motherboards are mass-produced product with variances in materials, manufacturing and operation, the manufacturers are not going to be using a current capacity safety margin of the order of a mere 25%.

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by c12038 View Post
    Still its a Barfed card with power consuption issues at an hardware level and according to whats being read on other forums poeple have suffered hardware failures due to this issue...
    Quote Originally Posted by TREX_HUNTER View Post
    Source please?
    Well, the only half way reliable report I came across was this not very smart guy mining Ethereum:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...88#msg15438988
    "No, it's an Asus P7P55-LX, it was the 1st rig I built. Ran for 3 years with 3 280x and non-powered risers. 6 hours with the 480s and poof!!"

    Well, three cards without a powered riser (which must have been noisy as without risers things tend to get rather hot). Powered risers are essential for plugging cards into x1 PCIE slots as boards are really supposed to pull the full load from each slot (a board with 6-7 PCIE slots would otherwise have to be able to supply 450W/525W).

    A quick search shows that that board only has two x16 slots, so no idea how they managed to run three 280x or 480s on there without any riser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c12038 View Post
    Whats the comment on this AMD ..... Rembursment for hardware damages due to lack of Due diligence on your part...
    In an ideal world perhaps but the only company who does* that kind of thing is Intel. Well, maybe not compensate but at least the recall with SATA bug that time was handled really well.
    AMD and Nvidia? Not well at all.
    AMD's biggest one was the TLB fault in the orignal Phenom and they only workaround was to disable TLB with a ~10% performance hit.
    Nividia's biggest blunder was a lot worse when they sold millions of parts with faulty solder they didn't want to know, hid the problem and eventually (due to a lawsuit) settled for a pittance and then only in North America. Eventual cost to Nvidia $250 million, cost to consumers probably closer to $1-$1.5 billion.

    EDIT: *was going to say that even Intel don't always do this. As one of their SandForce SSD had some issues but that wasn't handled well, plus the TSX bug in Haswell and Broadwell stepping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_Synchronization_Extensions#Implementation) was not a general recall (although possible savvy customers who complained were given the newer revisions?)
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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    I wonder how this driver (and presumably all subsequent drivers) will play with custom cards? Some of which may have their own power phase design that doesn't follow the reference board...
    I'd assume it queries the card BIOS for manufacturer and version details, and the software will only adjust power management for cards that identify themselves as reference? Interesting point though, and definitely something to watch out for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    ... three cards without a powered riser ...

    ... A quick search shows that that board only has two x16 slots, so no idea how they managed to run three 280x or 480s on there without any riser. ...
    A post further down says he was using passive flexible risers. Numpty. Must've had at least one in a PCIe x1 slot; they're only meant to provide 25W to the card.

    280X has a rated 225W available via PCIe connectors (6+8) for a 250W TDP, and I'd guess was balanced to draw most of its power from the connectors rather than the slot. Even then, having 3 cards in that board is going to have drawn a fair whack of current through the motherboard connector, and I'd be amazed if there wasn't already thermal damage to the 24pin connector, even if you couldn't see it. Whap three RX480s in there and you're suddenly looking at the board trying to draw > 200W through that connector.

    if your board doesn't have enough slots for 3 GPUs, and it burns out because you put 3 GPUs in it, that's kind of your own fault. My money says that wouldn't have happened with only 2 RX 480s in that board...
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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I'd assume it queries the card BIOS for manufacturer and version details, and the software will only adjust power management for cards that identify themselves as reference?
    Which in turn begs the question about custom cards that still need this power adjustment - are we going to be beholden on third party versions of drivers rather than using AMD ones? (I don't want to go back to those days please!)

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Which in turn begs the question about custom cards that still need this power adjustment ...
    The question is ... will they? The vast majority of custom cards seem to have gone for an 8pin connector which can provide the bulk of the power required, and I would hope that they've balanced their VRMs themselves to ensure that the draw for each rail is within spec.

    I'm pretty sure the reference card issue is that AMD were trusting it would remain within its 150W TDP at all times, at which point splitting the power draw evenly between the slot and the 6pin plug would just about have been OK. If the non-reference cards will be using custom PCBs - and anyone going for an 8pin plug will have to be using a custom PCB - I assume they'll also be using custom power delivery, which they will be able to balance themselves.

    And if there are custom cards that use the same evenly split power draw despite equipping their cards to draw up to 225W, they deserve our scorn and ridicule, frankly...

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    That guy (c12038) sounds like nVidia troll.
    We have to be objective.

    Many people read comments too, and companies know that, so they use it to push you away from concurrent product.

    AMD RX 480 is a little bit slower card (<10% ) than nVidia GTX 1060, but please compare the price once it hits the shops. I am sure, it will cost more than that difference. And AMD is known tp gain on the perfomance through the drivers with the time better than nVidia.

    As far as 1060, I would really like to see single slot, small card . It should be feasible.
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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    The question is ... will they? The vast majority of custom cards seem to have gone for an 8pin connector which can provide the bulk of the power required, and I would hope that they've balanced their VRMs themselves to ensure that the draw for each rail is within spec.

    I'm pretty sure the reference card issue is that AMD were trusting it would remain within its 150W TDP at all times, at which point splitting the power draw evenly between the slot and the 6pin plug would just about have been OK. If the non-reference cards will be using custom PCBs - and anyone going for an 8pin plug will have to be using a custom PCB - I assume they'll also be using custom power delivery, which they will be able to balance themselves.

    And if there are custom cards that use the same evenly split power draw despite equipping their cards to draw up to 225W, they deserve our scorn and ridicule, frankly...
    I'm sure we'll see some AIB cards based on a reference PCB and components with just a custom cooler and possibly a factory OC - it's that latter bit that may disqualify them from any reference device ID handling in the drivers. These are the cards I think I'll be avoiding..

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by TREX_HUNTER View Post
    Source please? I've been scouring the net for these failed Mobos or PSUs and I'm yet to find any. I currently have a R9 295x2, if you go by spec, it would only be rated at 375W but it can pull 500W+ with ease and nothing has fried up in my 2 years with the card. PCIE can pull much much more power than these outdated 2004 spec.
    The worst case scenario is reduction in the OC headroom but I doubt many will be doing that on a reference card.
    Here is the articile in question as posted on the AMD forum HERE and proof through another review site of major over power usage HERE this problem was only made aware through a small majority of users but AMD was aware of the problem just before the release date so why could they not make buyers aware of this problem "Rushed Product yet again without due care for end user"

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by darcotech View Post
    That guy (c12038) sounds like nVidia troll.
    We have to be objective.

    Many people read comments too, and companies know that, so they use it to push you away from concurrent product.

    AMD RX 480 is a little bit slower card (<10% ) than nVidia GTX 1060, but please compare the price once it hits the shops. I am sure, it will cost more than that difference. And AMD is known tp gain on the perfomance through the drivers with the time better than nVidia.

    As far as 1060, I would really like to see single slot, small card . It should be feasible.

    I aint no Nvidia Troll just posting to make people aware that the issue could possibly effect you if you purchase the RX480 but go ahead and kill your PCI-E slot...... I am gona wait until the next batch of RX480s have been done some time after Xmas or possibly the RX470 after reviews and 2 updates on the drivers.....

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Which in turn begs the question about custom cards that still need this power adjustment - are we going to be beholden on third party versions of drivers rather than using AMD ones? (I don't want to go back to those days please!)
    I don't see why.

    Custom cards should come with more PCIe power connector pins. That should help the re-balancing that AMD are doing in their driver shouldn't it?

    With two 6 pin connectors giving a total of 225W available they could hard wire the power draw split.

    Or to put it another way, I don't think video card companies want to be doing drivers either. My R9 380 has fans that completely switch off when idle and I have never used any vendor software on the machine, so whatever they did in the last generation I'm sure they have the experience to just keep doing that.

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by c12038 View Post
    Here is the articile in question as posted on the AMD forum HERE ...
    Hm, looking at the picture of his RX 480 in the lower slot that he posted in that thread, it's improperly fixed at the PCI bracket and is sagging horribly at the back end. If he took that much care the first time he put it in the top slot (rather than fixing it properly like in the othe rpicture) it's going to have pulled the contacts apart which could easily cause arcing. Plus he'd overclocked the card, which will have increased the power draw.

    There's no doubt the out-of-spec draw through the PCIe slot would exacerbate any exiting issues, but claiming that these instances are purely down to the RX 480 is somewhat disingenuous. If the RX 480 was actually a problem in and of itself it should be killing every motherboard it's installed in. That fact that it's only happening in a few isolated instances (some of which are clear edge cases) makes it more likely that what's really happening is that it's triggering existing problems, or it's more susceptible to careless use. The RX 480 plus particular other components is clearly an issue - but that doesn't mean the fault is entirely with the RX 480.

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    Re: AMD Radeon Software Crimson Edition 16.7.1 released

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I don't see why.

    Custom cards should come with more PCIe power connector pins. That should help the re-balancing that AMD are doing in their driver shouldn't it?

    With two 6 pin connectors giving a total of 225W available they could hard wire the power draw split.
    I expect there will be many AIB cards that use the same connectors, even PCB, as AMD's reference card.

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