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    BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    That’s 10x cheaper than 3D NAND from the likes of Samsung, SanDisk, SK hynix etc.
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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Will result in ssd tech for the masses
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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    I'd really like a nice 2Tb SSD for storage, preferably a pair mirrored for redundancy. Just not affordable at the moment for home usage though. The Samsung Evo 850's are getting cheaper but still not cheap enough.

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    It's ten times cheaper, so we can expect 10% lower prices very soon? :-)
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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    So they've managed to beat industry giants like Micron, Samsung and Toshiba by 10x for cost? Colour me dubious.

    Also it seems like they're using far smaller cells than 'competitors' - so how does that translate for endurance?

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Quote Originally Posted by darcotech View Post
    It's ten times cheaper, so we can expect 10% lower prices very soon? :-)
    Shouldn't that be more like 90% lower... as in one-tenth of current?

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by darcotech View Post
    It's ten times cheaper, so we can expect 10% lower prices very soon? :-)
    Shouldn't that be more like 90% lower... as in one-tenth of current?
    it should, but you know how it will be...

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    @Ttaskmaster, you missed the smiley.

    10% is about right once it hits the UK

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Despite being cheaper i don't expect any price drops

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by darcotech View Post
    It's ten times cheaper, so we can expect 10% lower prices very soon? :-)
    Shouldn't that be more like 90% lower... as in one-tenth of current?
    He was being facetious, as in someone will milk it for extra profit.

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    The announcement says: 'BeSang plans to bring 3D super‐NAND to the market along with industry partners in 2016.' So I guess we don't have long to wait to see if this is real and what effect it has.

    Also, the announcement says '5 to 10 times better ‘Cost‐per‐Bit.’' So it's not necessarily 10x cheaper, at least initially. Still great progress.

    No less interesting is the rest of the promised 3D tech on their site:

    3D Super-RAM that's 4 times as dense.

    3D Super-NOR that's supposed to be as good as XPoint but 10 times cheaper.

    If they can bring all this about they have my worship. Imagine a few years from now a reasonable cost laptop might come with 32GB of RAM, backed to ultra-fast NOR for ultra-low-power transparent sleep, with a 2TB SSD. Couple that with a Zen based APU, and I'm drooling already.
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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    If this actually works out as cheaply as advised, I'd like to hope that it could at least bring about price parity with HDDs and finally start to bring out their end, though in reality I'm far more sceptical that even that much of the cost-savings would be passed on to consumers.

    Like a lot of people, though I prefer to have a faster SSD for OS and programs (including games if space permits), my speed needs for larger storage are much more moderate. I'd happily take a slowish (~150MiB/s sustainable read/write) SSD with 8TB or more of storage if I could buy it for about the same price of current HDDs of that size.

    To qualify that last statement with regards to price, I'm referring to the as-yet unlaunched Toshiba X300 8TB HDD (non-helium-filled, around £280), rather than the more expensive HGST 8TB HDD (helium-filled, around £420).

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Quote Originally Posted by anselhelm View Post
    If this actually works out as cheaply as advised, I'd like to hope that it could at least bring about price parity with HDDs and finally start to bring out their end, though in reality I'm far more sceptical that even that much of the cost-savings would be passed on to consumers.
    It will take far more than price parity to end HDDs. Maybe in parts of the consumer market, but lets not forget a firmware bug can destroy all off that data in an instant on an SSD for example. And then there's write endurance which is more than a passing concern in some uses.

    LTO tape drives are still heavily used for large-scale backups.

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    Quote Originally Posted by anselhelm View Post
    To qualify that last statement with regards to price, I'm referring to the as-yet unlaunched Toshiba X300 8TB HDD (non-helium-filled, around £280), rather than the more expensive HGST 8TB HDD (helium-filled, around £420).
    Seagate 8TB drives have been available for 18months or so for about £180 - prices are crept over £200 recently with the £ falling (this actually started pre-brexit).

    I've about 8 - they've been rock solid.

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    The more I thought about it, the more I got excited. From what I've read elsewhere, it's 3 times the density and about 1/10 the cost. Just imagine what this can do.

    Entry level phones could come with 64GB of internal storage, with 256GB being common and 512GB or even 1TB at the high end, with 512GB UFS cards costing $15, to provide high speed secondary storage. Phone and tablet apps will no longer need to be small, games taking several GB will no longer be an issue, and people could keep high quality movies without worrying about space.

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    It will take far more than price parity to end HDDs.
    But it mostly will. I mean, sure, HDD's will likely remain for a while, but given the great advantages of SSD's, in both speed and space requirement, HDD's will likely quickly die in consumer space, and will be seriously marginalised in the enterprise arena. That in turn will likely raise HDD prices and slow innovation (due to economy of scale), and on the other hand manufacturers will work to reduce the limitations of SSD storage.

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    Re: BeSang Inc's 3D Super-NAND costs just 2¢ per gigabyte

    The enterprise market doesn't just chase bargains for the fun of it, as I said there are still very valid reasons for keeping HDDs, much like how there are still expensive 10k/15k HDDs used in those sectors. Despite claims to the contrary, SSDs still have some way to go in terms of reliability, especially cheap consumer ones. Enterprise SSDs are far more expensive and the NAND cost is a fairly small part of that.

    HDDs have a lot of life left in them yet, especially if/when technologies like HAMR make it out of the lab. HDDs you can buy right now are <3¢ per GB and expected to drop 0.5¢ within 5 years. When is this NAND expected again? And don't forget you need the stuff around the NAND to make an SSD on top of that price.

    And this is all assuming this world-beating 10x cost saving actually materialises. As I said, it's in the interest of massive and hugely experienced companies like Samsung, Micron, Intel, Toshiba, Sandisk, SK Hynix to get costs lower for NAND - and this somehow manages to beat all of them by a factor of ten? Lets just say it will take more than some bullet points on a presentation to convince me.

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