Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 19

Thread: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Openreach, the network division of BT, is to become more independent.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    594
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked
    11 times in 10 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Still not enough, they need broken up. Also the national networks from Virgin and other providers should also be removed from their control.

    Combine them into one new agency and make it into a independent governed unit that is controlled nationally on the basis of universal access that companies buy access from and then set the new agency to laying flipping fibre to every part of the UK already!!!

    They would not be for profit as all charges would be ring fenced to them to apply to upgrading the network. Seriously annoys me already that we leave a large part of our GDP to a set of private organisations to mess around with.

    We wouldn't do this to the roads network that also generates a large amount of our GDP, so why allow it to happen to our digital roads network?

  3. Received thanks from:

    Darth Sidious (26-07-2016),Millennium (26-07-2016)

  4. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    431
    Thanks
    20
    Thanked
    33 times in 27 posts
    • Jace007's system
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7 7700k
      • Memory:
      • 16GB
      • Storage:
      • 500GB SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia 1080
      • PSU:
      • EVGA 750w
      • Operating System:
      • WinLOW

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Poorly written - Mark Had a few too many ?

  5. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    342
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    27 times in 23 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    A total breakup would mean BT would no longer be subsiding Openreach (as is the case at the moment). Some other source of funding for Openreach would need to be located, or Openreach would either drop further in quality of service, or have to put up wholesale prices for everybody just to maintain current service levels.

    The chance of Openreach transitioning from a private company successfully to a public entity is pretty much zero under the current government (who are hell-bent on doing the exact opposite even in the face of evidence to the contrary, like the East Coast Main Line operation by DOR).

  6. #5
    Oh Crumbs.... Biscuit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    N. Yorkshire
    Posts
    11,193
    Thanks
    1,394
    Thanked
    1,091 times in 833 posts
    • Biscuit's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450M Mortar
      • CPU:
      • AMD 2700X (Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Patriot Viper 2 @ 3466MHz
      • Storage:
      • 500GB WD Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290X Vapor-X
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic Focus Gold 750W
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-V359
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity 80/20

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Quote Originally Posted by edzieba View Post
    like the East Coast Main Line operation by DOR).
    Just thinking about that one still winds me up.

  7. #6
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    45
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Quote Originally Posted by edzieba View Post
    A total breakup would mean BT would no longer be subsiding Openreach (as is the case at the moment). Some other source of funding for Openreach would need to be located, or Openreach would either drop further in quality of service, or have to put up wholesale prices for everybody just to maintain current service levels.
    But isn't the point that if they were separate, all telcos would then pay for access which is what BT is doing now by subsidising? And surely if Openreach were separated from BT then line rental, such as it is, would go to the split off entity and not BT (barring the usual markup) since BT would not own the infrastructure? Isn't that essentially the subsidy you're talking about?

    And lets not forget the billions in public subsidy Openreach has had and yet wholly failed to deliver value for (and which it has lied about - the figures they claim for the cost of installing fibre to a cabinet is something like four times the actual figure).

  8. Received thanks from:

    Darth Sidious (26-07-2016)

  9. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    342
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    27 times in 23 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    BT gets paid for services provided by BT (internet, TV, etc) while the line rental already goes to Openreach. BT gets a discounted rate from Openreach (welcome to the bizarre world of internal IT costing) but money for infrastructure still flows from BT to Openreach. If Openreach were separated, BT's per-user payments would be larger, but that infrastructure flow would cease. That's fine for operational costs, but not so much for expansion and replacement which is what is sorely needed.

  10. #8
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Just buy it all back and return to a state-own infrastructure please!
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  11. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Wonderful Warwick!
    Posts
    3,919
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked
    183 times in 153 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Just buy it all back and return to a state-own infrastructure please!
    Enjoy your £50 a month broadband too?
    Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!

  12. #10
    don't stock motherhoods
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    1,298
    Thanks
    809
    Thanked
    125 times in 108 posts
    • Millennium's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI X470 Gaming Plus
      • CPU:
      • AMD 3600x @ 3.85 with Turbo
      • Memory:
      • 4*G-Skill Samsung B 3200 14T 1T
      • Storage:
      • WD850 and OEM961 1TB, 1.5TB SSD SATA, 4TB Storage, Ext.
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 3070 FE HHR NVidia (Mining Over)
      • PSU:
      • ToughPouwer 1kw (thinking of an upgrade to 600w)
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define S
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 101 Home 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • HiSense 55" TV 4k 8bit BT709 18:10
      • Internet:
      • Vodafone 12 / month, high contentions weekends 2, phone backup.

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Hopefully, internet infrastructure will indeed end up being state owned and not for profit. Imagine the improvements that could be made.
    Perhaps though there is a notion that internet access will be 'fast enough' within a decade or two (for a good while). Still, it's too important to leave out of the state's hands. We should get a petition organised
    hexus trust : n(baby):n(lover):n(sky)|>P(Name)>>nopes

    Be Careful on the Internet! I ran and tackled a drive by mining attack today. It's not designed to do anything than provide fake texts (say!)

  13. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Cymru
    Posts
    309
    Thanks
    152
    Thanked
    47 times in 45 posts
    • satrow's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASRock Z77E-ITX
      • CPU:
      • Ivy Xeon 1230 v2/Be Quiet Shadow Rock Topflow
      • Memory:
      • GSkill 2x8GB DDR3 2400Mhz
      • Storage:
      • 3x 256GB SSDs, 2x 1TB 2.5" HDDs.
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus blower GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 360W Gold
      • Case:
      • BitFenix Prodigy/2x 120mm fans
      • Operating System:
      • W7x64 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dual (/triple) Dell U2412M 1900x1200
      • Internet:
      • TalkTalk FTTC ~14Mbps

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Openreach also need to replace the last of their el cheapo aluminium cables (fine for voice, crap for data) and refit copper. I could then revert my current FTH ~12Mbps with good old ADSL2 whilst saving cash, or get ~28Mbps by staying with fibre.

    There's only ~500 metres of alu in my connection, but there are also scores, likely 100+, of other premises here also forced to use it.

    Simply having FTH 'available' doesn't mean the speeds will be fibre speeds.

  14. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Edinburgh
    Posts
    594
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked
    11 times in 10 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    FTTP - For all houses, its going to be costly but jesus it would give so much future proofing considering we are still trying to tap the max that fibre can transmit. Also I would be happy to pay a bit more for my broadband for a proper infrastructure, time we did away with the poor showing that comes from the likes or talktalk. Just about everyone I know that used them regretted it very very fast.

  15. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    166
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    lol im on 3.2 MBits with BT its disgusting in 2016

  16. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,932
    Thanks
    171
    Thanked
    383 times in 310 posts
    • badass's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P8Z77-m pro
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 3570K
      • Memory:
      • 32GB
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 850 EVO, 2TB WD Green
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon RX 580
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX520W
      • Case:
      • Silverstone SG02-F
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 X64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Del U2311, LG226WTQ
      • Internet:
      • 80/20 FTTC

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Anyone that thinks the state will do a better job than the shockingly bad one BT/Openreach are doing needs their head examining. Who likes paying for for the same or a worse service?

    This is just fashionable thinking because of the grass is greener effect
    "In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penises, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship."

  17. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    166
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Bt already act like a state Monopoly.

  18. #16
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    45
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts

    Re: Ofcom announces plans for a major reform of Openreach

    Quote Originally Posted by edzieba View Post
    BT gets paid for services provided by BT (internet, TV, etc) while the line rental already goes to Openreach. BT gets a discounted rate from Openreach (welcome to the bizarre world of internal IT costing) but money for infrastructure still flows from BT to Openreach. If Openreach were separated, BT's per-user payments would be larger, but that infrastructure flow would cease. That's fine for operational costs, but not so much for expansion and replacement which is what is sorely needed.
    I still don't buy this argument. It seems Open reach gets enough cash as it is (albeit they spend it badly), so whether or not it is split, the income from line rental, services and public subsidy is enough for both bt and openreach. It would mean that the proportions paid to each part need to change. BT can't magic cash out of nowhere so either it comes from income or its borrowed. That doesn't change even if they split.

    Mind you, it's all academic as they aren't bring split (for now). Let's just hope Ofcom really have the teeth to make Openreach do their damn job properly. And anyone harkening for state control is a bit mad. Sure, sometimes it works like the East Coast railway, but I'm old enough to remember BT employees bring hired with no work to do sitting in vans in lay-bys doing did all because no one really knew how many staff they had or how much work there was and no one cared because it was public sector. It didn't end well. The UK had the opportunity to pioneer fibre in the 80s when BT was state owned but typical state owned organ that it was, it had zero foresight and it was deemed pointless.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •