Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 18

Thread: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Running x86 Win32 and UWP apps such as; PhotoShop, MS Office, and World of Tanks Blitz.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    207
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    14 times in 12 posts

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Cool stuff and really the path MS should have taken years ago, still better late then never.

    The gaming aspects of this could be very interesting though really I think someone would have to cook up an Arm CPU paired with low end AMD/Nvidia GPU for a reasonable handheld capable of running Steam, Origin, Xbox Anywhere games. This is basically what the Nintendo Switch is.

  3. #3
    Technojunkie
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Up North
    Posts
    2,580
    Thanks
    239
    Thanked
    213 times in 138 posts

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato-2 View Post
    Cool stuff and really the path MS should have taken years ago, still better late then never.
    They kinda did with Windows RT on ARM / surface RT, but didn't open up the desktop part to 3rd party applications
    (and that didn't have an x86 emulation layer) - was later jailbroken to run .net apps
    and others just a compile away from working:
    http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2092348


    This is building up on that - I assume win32 calls go native ARM (like wine) with the rest emulated.
    Last edited by mikerr; 08-12-2016 at 11:36 AM.
    Chrome & Firefox addons for BBC News
    Follow me @twitter

  4. #4
    Senior Member Xlucine's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    2,160
    Thanks
    297
    Thanked
    188 times in 147 posts
    • Xlucine's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus TUF B450M-plus
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 16GB @ 3.2 Gt/s
      • Storage:
      • Crucial P5 1TB (boot), Crucial MX500 1TB, Crucial MX100 512GB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 980ti
      • PSU:
      • Fractal Design ION+ 560P
      • Case:
      • Silverstone TJ08-E
      • Operating System:
      • W10 pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Viewsonic vx3211-2k-mhd, Dell P2414H

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    WOT blitz isn't very impressive, it's the mobile port of WOT so already runs fine on android devices

  5. #5
    Moosing about! CAT-THE-FIFTH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Not here
    Posts
    32,039
    Thanks
    3,910
    Thanked
    5,224 times in 4,015 posts
    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Less E-PEEN
      • CPU:
      • Massive E-PEEN
      • Memory:
      • RGB E-PEEN
      • Storage:
      • Not in any order
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVEN BIGGER E-PEEN
      • PSU:
      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
      • DOS 6.22
      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
      • FUNCTIONAL

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Emm,so that is X86 Windows on a ARM chip - is this some sort of X86 emulation??

  6. #6
    Comfortably Numb directhex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    /dev/urandom
    Posts
    17,074
    Thanks
    228
    Thanked
    1,027 times in 678 posts
    • directhex's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus ROG Strix B550-I Gaming
      • CPU:
      • Ryzen 5900x
      • Memory:
      • 64GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Seagate Firecuda 520
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra
      • PSU:
      • EVGA SuperNOVA 850W G3
      • Case:
      • NZXT H210i
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34GN850
      • Internet:
      • FIOS

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Emm,so that is X86 Windows on a ARM chip - is this some sort of X86 emulation??
    Yes.

  7. #7
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Emm,so that is X86 Windows on a ARM chip - is this some sort of X86 emulation??
    I would hope it is dynamic translation/recompilation, like DEC was doing on the Alpha some twenty years ago.

    But this is Microsoft, so unless they could buy in the technology it is probably some basic slow emulation

    Seriously, I hope this is a decent usable technology, though probably not as much as Nvidia who were banned by Intel from doing this and now they don't have to. The Tegra chips should make for some really nice laptops, they are kind of wasted in a Chromebook.

    Note though that the DEC Alpha could run x86 code in emulation/translation faster than any native x86 silicon available at the time, but it didn't help sell chips.

    Needs to be expanded to AMD64 though to make it properly usable.

  8. #8
    rainman
    Guest

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Emm,so that is X86 Windows on a ARM chip - is this some sort of X86 emulation??
    Maybe read the article?

  9. #9
    rainman
    Guest

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    I want Windows 10 on my Lumia 950XL and I want it now!

    When I left the apple eco-system a couple of years ago I swore I wouldn't return and started enjoying Windows phones until I finally got pee'd off when the apps that I needed weren't there. I've recently bought another "i-thing" and put my 950XL in the drawer but this would make me switch back again.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    527
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    55 times in 31 posts

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Emm,so that is X86 Windows on a ARM chip - is this some sort of X86 emulation??
    No, it's ARM Windows on ARM, running x86 Windows Apps via emulation.

  11. #11
    Moosing about! CAT-THE-FIFTH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Not here
    Posts
    32,039
    Thanks
    3,910
    Thanked
    5,224 times in 4,015 posts
    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Less E-PEEN
      • CPU:
      • Massive E-PEEN
      • Memory:
      • RGB E-PEEN
      • Storage:
      • Not in any order
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVEN BIGGER E-PEEN
      • PSU:
      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
      • DOS 6.22
      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
      • FUNCTIONAL

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I would hope it is dynamic translation/recompilation, like DEC was doing on the Alpha some twenty years ago.

    But this is Microsoft, so unless they could buy in the technology it is probably some basic slow emulation

    Seriously, I hope this is a decent usable technology, though probably not as much as Nvidia who were banned by Intel from doing this and now they don't have to. The Tegra chips should make for some really nice laptops, they are kind of wasted in a Chromebook.

    Note though that the DEC Alpha could run x86 code in emulation/translation faster than any native x86 silicon available at the time, but it didn't help sell chips.

    Needs to be expanded to AMD64 though to make it properly usable.
    I am still impressed - this is basically a phone SOC running normal Windows. Some of the Apple cores show what is possible with ARM based chips,so it might push for development of faster ARM chips too.

  12. #12
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    It's not a huge leap from what enthusiasts have been doing for a while. In the last couple of years we have seen Windows running on some pretty odd devices!

    I wonder if Microsoft were inspired by these hackers/modders?
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  13. #13
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    I am still impressed - this is basically a phone SOC running normal Windows. Some of the Apple cores show what is possible with ARM based chips,so it might push for development of faster ARM chips too.
    Raspberry Pi is a set top box SoC running desktop Linux, so ARM has been demonstrably desktop capable for years.

    In some ways you have to ask why Microsoft have been lagging behind so badly.

    Still, given the way that Windows 10 utterly floors my old E350 dual core AMD64 capable netbook with 6GB of ram and an SSD, I have to wonder just how well this will work long term. Perhaps they haven't bothered with virus scanner for example, though that would run native and not be emulated at least.

  14. #14
    Moosing about! CAT-THE-FIFTH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Not here
    Posts
    32,039
    Thanks
    3,910
    Thanked
    5,224 times in 4,015 posts
    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Less E-PEEN
      • CPU:
      • Massive E-PEEN
      • Memory:
      • RGB E-PEEN
      • Storage:
      • Not in any order
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVEN BIGGER E-PEEN
      • PSU:
      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
      • DOS 6.22
      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
      • FUNCTIONAL

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Raspberry Pi is a set top box SoC running desktop Linux, so ARM has been demonstrably desktop capable for years.

    In some ways you have to ask why Microsoft have been lagging behind so badly.

    Still, given the way that Windows 10 utterly floors my old E350 dual core AMD64 capable netbook with 6GB of ram and an SSD, I have to wonder just how well this will work long term. Perhaps they haven't bothered with virus scanner for example, though that would run native and not be emulated at least.
    Well they are running the Snapdragon 820 which is one of the highest performing ARM cores out there IIRC and the Apple ones are apparently even getting close to Intel IPC levels too(!!).

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    3,526
    Thanks
    504
    Thanked
    468 times in 326 posts

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Well they are running the Snapdragon 820 which is one of the highest performing ARM cores out there IIRC and the Apple ones are apparently even getting close to Intel IPC levels too(!!).
    They are running it on a 820 but if what I've been reading is correct we may have to wait, and possibly be restricted to 835 based devices.

  16. #16
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Windows 10 Enterprise demoed running on Snapdragon 820 chip

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Well they are running the Snapdragon 820 which is one of the highest performing ARM cores out there IIRC and the Apple ones are apparently even getting close to Intel IPC levels too(!!).
    Partly the Apple issue width is wide, but Nvidia Tegra chips with standard A series cores are pretty fast so just having a decent memory system seems to make a big difference and I suspect Apple get that right too.

    Hmm, this could be further ammo for the "Apple will release an ARM laptop and ditch Intel" rumours

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •