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    AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Behind the recent AMD CES 2017 Ryzen / Vega system demos.
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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    WTF is this, shame u AMD to show as some piece of tape on something look like graphic card
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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    I am a bit worried about the card length, even without the extra USB diag on the back end that think looks far far too long. Especially when you consider that they are using HBM2 memory for it. One of the reported benefits of doing so was to cut down the amount of card space you needed as all the memory is on the chip package vs GDDR5 which takes up a lot of board space around the gpu chip.

    Hopefully the retail versions will have a much more refined design.

    If the ES is nothing like the retail boards are going to be I'm surprised they would let any pics be shown of it at all.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    I understand the tape on the PCI slots (to stop anyone peeking through there to see the cables), but why the tape on the case fan?

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    I am a bit worried about the card length, even without the extra USB diag on the back end that think looks far far too long. Especially when you consider that they are using HBM2 memory for it. One of the reported benefits of doing so was to cut down the amount of card space you needed as all the memory is on the chip package vs GDDR5 which takes up a lot of board space around the gpu chip.

    Hopefully the retail versions will have a much more refined design.

    If the ES is nothing like the retail boards are going to be I'm surprised they would let any pics be shown of it at all.
    The length and usb are due to the fact that its an engineering sample and it allows amd staff to get all the signal info from the card. I don't see why after market cards would be more compact but I tend to go for stuff with op cooling so I might get one of those massive triple fan saphire versions
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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    I understand the tape on the PCI slots (to stop anyone peeking through there to see the cables), but why the tape on the case fan?
    To stop journalists taking pictures through it when they were running the demos.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Can they not manage something a bit tidier than a bit of gaffer tape, though?
    I assume it looks roughly like every other reference GPU and has some leads connected to the PCI-E power connectors, just like all the others?
    Never understood the fascination with photos of reference cards, especially among the enthusiast community who typically rip it apart to slap on a watercooling block anyways...

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    my thinking is the card will stop just after the gaffer tape starts
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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Can they not manage something a bit tidier than a bit of gaffer tape, though?
    Duck tape even. And as anyone who watched MacGyver or the A-Team (or the movie The Martian), Duct tape is almost the American word for DIY. So this (hiding the card) could have been a last minute DIY thing.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Looking at the fact the card has a lighted logo,I have a feeling the reference card will be air coolered otherwise it seems quite a bit of effort to engineering a new cooler just for engineering cards.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Can they not manage something a bit tidier than a bit of gaffer tape, though?
    I assume it looks roughly like every other reference GPU and has some leads connected to the PCI-E power connectors, just like all the others?
    Never understood the fascination with photos of reference cards, especially among the enthusiast community who typically rip it apart to slap on a watercooling block anyways...
    I think there are two possibilities:
    1) It originally wasn't intended to be seen, but AMD were responding to their community and letting us have a peek anyway out of respect to their fans over the marketeers.
    2) They are super clued up and engineered it to look like point 1 deliberately.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Is it just me that finds AMD's styling bloody awful ?
    As one of the more expensive products we will but for our pc's I would love it not to look like a block of black granite.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Very nice design.
    Has the look of a high end standalone device.

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    It's gaffer tape, duct tape is silver. Gaffer tape is like the force - it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    To stop journalists taking pictures through it when they were running the demos.
    but the power cables are hidden by the other tape!

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    Re: AMD Vega 10 graphics card seen in hands-on video

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    I am a bit worried about the card length, even without the extra USB diag on the back end that think looks far far too long. Especially when you consider that they are using HBM2 memory for it. One of the reported benefits of doing so was to cut down the amount of card space you needed ...
    If you ignore the USB extension the card length is about 27cm/11" (based on the ATX board width) - that's about standard for a top end air cooled card.

    Whilst reducing PCB size is one benefit of HBM, it's a far less important one than reducing power consumption of the memory subsystem whilst increasing bandwidth (HBM lets you go very wide at much lower data rates, so uses less power). The biggest determinant of PCB/card size on modern GPUs is the cooling requirement: if you need a cooler that can dissipate XW then you need a card big enough to fit that cooler on. Since this card is air cooled that's going to mean a big slab of fins & fans which is likely to determine the card size (just like the air cooled Fury cards were all much bigger than the water cooled Fury X).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    ... I assume it looks roughly like every other reference GPU and has some leads connected to the PCI-E power connectors, just like all the others? ...
    It will; what AMD are hiding here is how many/what type of connectors - could be 1x8, 2x6, 6+8, or even 8+8. That would give away a lot of information about the anticipated power draw & TDP of the card, which they presumably want to keep under wraps until the cards officially launch (or it could be that they've over-specced the power supply to the engineering card so they can play with clock speeds/voltages etc. so that card's configuration doesn't represent the expectation for a retail product).

    There's rumours knocking around of a 225W TDP for Vega 10, and if that holds out and they decide to cut it fine with power connectors we could be looking at 1x8pin on reference cards (I'd expect partners to go 8+6 for better overclocking potential). But they might stick 2x8pin connectors on an engineering sample so they can study the power characteristics of the card at different clocks and voltages. If they let people see a Vega 10 card with 2x8pin connectors that'll start rumours of a 300W+ TDP... not good publicity

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