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    Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Both Basin Falls platform and Coffee Lake microarchitecture to arrive months early.
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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Finally some real pressure on Intel, thanks to AMD we can once again enjoy faster development and eventually better prices. The last few years we have only seen like 5-10% increase in real world performance with each generation from Intel, just recently Intel suddenly flagged that Canon Lake would have an 40% increase in performance. This confirms that Intel has been holding back immensely to milk its customers with the same old every year. The coming years will be interesting, we will now get to know how much Intel really has been holding back the last five years.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    What's the point of stepping up the schedules? Unless the new chip performance is going to be drastically improved surely just applying some discounts to the existing product sets would suffice for the time being? Whilst Ryzen has put AMD back in the game if Intel wanted to stay ahead a price reduction now would keep them in pole position due to the single thread performance

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by marshalex View Post
    What's the point of stepping up the schedules? Unless the new chip performance is going to be drastically improved
    Well Intel have gone on record as saying Coffee Lake will be 15% faster than Kaby Lake in terms of single core IPC, which would give it a combined 20-25% lead over Ryzens single core IPC performance.

    Which would be a significant gap especially in the all important gaming benchmarks.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by marshalex View Post
    What's the point of stepping up the schedules? Unless the new chip performance is going to be drastically improved surely just applying some discounts to the existing product sets would suffice for the time being? Whilst Ryzen has put AMD back in the game if Intel wanted to stay ahead a price reduction now would keep them in pole position due to the single thread performance
    Lowering prices is only a temp fix which Intel wants to avoid so they can keep profits up, they do not want to ignite an all out price war. Intel also knows Ryzen is only the beginning and with AMD working hard at optimizing every aspect of the Zen 2 architecture and already on it's way to release 16 core HEDT platform Intel is feeling the heat for real. They have been holding back development for years now and if they do not start to accelerate and do some catching up they will find them self in AMDs rear view mirror end of next year.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bagpuss View Post
    Well Intel have gone on record as saying Coffee Lake will be 15% faster than Kaby Lake in terms of single core IPC, which would give it a combined 20-25% lead over Ryzens single core IPC performance.

    Which would be a significant gap especially in the all important gaming benchmarks.
    Surely it would depend on the cost of such improvements? AMD have shown they can get nearly there whilst keeping costs low. If Intel come back with here's the best get your wallet out whats the point. The next Intel release has to be competitive on price IMO, not just fall back on performance

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Oh look 15% increase meme is back.

    Shameful if they need to lie again like they lied every time before when in reality at best in some specific functions you could get 5% not the promised 15

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by fynxer View Post
    Finally some real pressure on Intel, thanks to AMD we can once again enjoy faster development and eventually better prices. The last few years we have only seen like 5-10% increase in real world performance with each generation from Intel, just recently Intel suddenly flagged that Canon Lake would have an 40% increase in performance. This confirms that Intel has been holding back immensely to milk its customers with the same old every year. The coming years will be interesting, we will now get to know how much Intel really has been holding back the last five years.
    The main question is "did they prepared for this, or they just pretend" because this seems to me as PR bull** to push the sells for the time till they get back on rails.

    I am happy to see this anyway.

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    Question Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bagpuss View Post
    Which would be a significant gap especially in the all important gaming benchmarks.
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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    If the 6C/12T Core i7 comes in at a similar price to the Core i7 7700K that would be a move forward,but if it costs more then meh.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    This sudden leap ahead of their architectures suddenly being available months earlier just tells me that I thought right all along, they were artificially stagnating their development timetables at the cost of their customers because they had no need to.

    Innovation should be for innovations sake, not solely because you are chasing a dollar symbol.

    But hey, I'm naive

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by LaxeDLL View Post
    Oh look 15% increase meme is back.

    Shameful if they need to lie again like they lied every time before when in reality at best in some specific functions you could get 5% not the promised 15
    Exactly. 15% is rather optimistic. What they claimed for Kabylake (+12% to +19%) and what they delivered (0% at the same clock) was not the same.

    Well, outside of specific circumstances. Like a mobile U processor where the better process used in Kabylake allowed higher sustained boosts. For desktop the max overclock and turbos went up a bit too but the performance at equal speeds was the same.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by fynxer View Post
    ... just recently Intel suddenly flagged that Canon Lake would have an 40% increase in performance.
    But Intel come out with figures like that every generation. There needs to be some small print on those claims that they won't tell you, usually that the performance increase is for a gutless 8W laptop part making it slightly less gutless. Up at the top desktop end, it will be 5% if you are lucky as always.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    This makes me wonder if there will be a Ryzen price cut on the Coffee Lake launch. Ryzen will be nearly six months old by then and the price gouging phase will have passed.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    And this is exactly why I've not spent any money upgrading my cpu & motherboard in years, because the underlying performance hasn't really increased significantly in years to warrant the upgrade.

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    Re: Intel hastens CPU and platform updates due to AMD pressure

    They should drop their prices as well. Current prices are a disgrace. We have i3s at i5 prices, i5's at i7 prices and i7's in a whole new price bracket. It wasn't that long ago that the i7 4770k was £225. I only paid £159 for my 4670k. As for the i3's, they are pretty much irrelevant now that the Pentium G4560 has HT so either go Pentium or bite the bullet and go i5/i7. I don't see why anybody would consider a i3.

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