Read more."They will not look like phones that are there today," says Satya Nadella in an interview.
Read more."They will not look like phones that are there today," says Satya Nadella in an interview.
I have to disagree with this , windows mobile isn't dead <unfortinatly> every since update made for the insider group
there is a mobile version.
Someone needs to give Nadella a history lesson about 2-in-1s.
jimbouk (04-05-2017)
It's true that MS has gotten there first on so many things, but then they get eclipsed and/or specs start bumping their heads against the ceiling. It's no good simply being first.
The one thing that could have saved Windows Mobile was their announcement some years ago of a mythical framework by which app developers could easily convert any Android or iOS app to the WM platform. It never materialised, and this was the last nail in the coffin for the operating system. It doesn't matter what else they do; unless they make this conversion system work, WM is dead (or at least in a permanent coma).
Yup, my Lumia 550 just rebooted to update to the latest version. Sadly, though, app support is starting to haemorrage (I've lost two apps I used regularly in the last few months) which means it'll heamorrage users too. Sad though - we've gone from having 4 viable mobile OSes to just two in the space of about 3 years.
And we still haven't got an affordable Android phone with a physical qwerty keyboard. Seriously, is it so much to ask....?
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
The Moto Z has a moto mod case with slide out keyboard... The phone is about £300~£350 and the mod is about £50 (although not in production yet). Might be a possibility depending on what you view as affordable... (loving my Z currently)
Note: Z2 is due soon hence the low price currently
scaryjim (04-05-2017)
Yet my BB Q5 only cost £130. A Keyboard on my Lumia 550 doubling the cost? I'd've paid £150 for it.
The Blackberry KeyONE looks like a lovely phone, but it's £500. Thing is, I don't need an octa-core @ 2GHz. I don't need 3GB of RAM. I don't need a 1080p screen. I don't need a 12MP rear camera.
BUT I really want a physical qwerty keyboard. It's doable in a sub £200 phone. Blackberry did entry level qwerty smartphones for years, very successfully. Sure, the market for it isn't huge, but it's stable, it's pretty dedicated, and no company is playing in it right now.
EDIT for crosspost:
It's a nice idea, but if I was going to drop £350 - £400 I'd just pre-order a keyONE. I'm one of those people who will spend more if it gets them what they want, and if I was already considering up to £300 for a phone anyway I'd have no issue talking myself into up to £500 instead.
As I said, I paid £130 for my Q5, and £75 for my current Lumia 550. I'd happily spend up to £200 - maybe more - if it would get me the phone I want. Since it wouldn't, I wasn't going to spend any more than I absolutely had to.
The sad thing is that BB10 is a great OS, and Win Mo is pretty damn good. I've never had a mobile I enjoyed using as much as my Q5, and my Lumia is pretty intuitive for most things; both OSes are at least as good as Android. But without significant market penetration app developers started abandoning them, and two excellent OSes are going to end up left out in the cold just because people couldn't be bothered to support minority platforms. So I'm stuck with my only options (in my price range, at least) being identikit Android touchscreen slabs that are all pretty much identical. That just makes me sad...
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Just hang on for now, because in a decade, MS, Apple or some other brand will be making the headlines;
[Insert brand here] CEO hints at return to phones with new form factor
"No one before us thought of qwerty phones, and we created that category and made it a successful category to the point where there are more querty phones coming. And that's what we want to do. So when you say we'll make more phones, I'm sure we'll make more phones, but they will not look like phones that are there today."
scaryjim (04-05-2017)
The Compaq device mentioned was based on a Microsoft idea for which they created XP Tablet PC Edition - it was of course doomed to fail because of hardware limitations, but Microsoft really did lead the way on 2in1s and tablets. The first successful device is a different story of course...
It's windows 10 people , a pc OSD not a flipping windows phone or tablet ........... sooner MS realise this the better
Isn't a definitive answer to who invented, created, or lead the way a bit like trying to work out which came first, the chicken or the egg.
Yes Microsoft created an XP Tablet PC Edition but tablets had been around for years before and a tablet with separate keyboard (Crusoe TM5600) was developed (afaik) before Microsoft worked with HP to release one, although maybe they worked with PaceBlade at the same time, either way to say "no one before us thought of 2-in-1s" seems a big claim to make to the Internet who love nothing more than proving people wrong.
Really loved Lumia 950 XL and all that it offers, however Microsoft is just not doing a lot to develop all the potential from Nokia.
Really doubt the MS Phone management capabilities now
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