Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    In a side by side SDR / HDR games demo it is said to have hobbled the SDR monitor settings.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    I'm special azrael-'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Posts
    1,074
    Thanks
    67
    Thanked
    113 times in 92 posts
    • azrael-'s system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS Prime X470-Pro
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
      • Memory:
      • 64 GB ECC DDR4 2666 MHz (Samsung M391A2K43BB1-CTD)
      • Storage:
      • 1 TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus, 1 TB Samsung 850 EVO, 12 TB WD HDDs
      • Graphics card(s):
      • eVGA GTX 1080 SC Gaming, 8 GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic X-Series 560W
      • Case:
      • Corsair Obsidian 550D
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Acer Predator XB271HU
      • Internet:
      • VDSL 55/12 Mbit/s

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    nVidia sneaky? GTFO!

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Posts
    520
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    31 times in 28 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    HDR... Just another marketing word to sell you the same crap that you already own. Sure, yeah, it might 'look nice' in some ways but the extra cash? Not worth it at all. Monitor = £160. Add a buzz word = £240.

    We really musts top falling for all of this fluff.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    3,526
    Thanks
    504
    Thanked
    468 times in 326 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    I actually prefer the look of HDR, that's if the examples shown in the video weren't Nvidia's attempt at gimping things and the properly adjusted SDR, yes the colors look more muted but i quite like that.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    ATLANTIS
    Posts
    1,207
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked
    28 times in 26 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    The same tricks are used to make 3DMARK and many other software perform significantly better than AMD.

  6. #6
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,948
    Thanks
    1,845
    Thanked
    3,357 times in 2,698 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    The same tricks are used to make 3DMARK and many other software perform significantly better than AMD.
    What, you can make them faster by adjusting the monitors brightness??

  7. Received thanks from:

    Xlucine (09-06-2017)

  8. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Where you are not
    Posts
    1,278
    Thanks
    568
    Thanked
    94 times in 83 posts
    • Iota's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Maximus Hero XI
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i9 9900KF
      • Memory:
      • CMD32GX4M2C3200C16
      • Storage:
      • 1 x 250GB / 1 x 1TB / 1 x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia RTX 3090 Founders Edition
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX1200i
      • Case:
      • Corsair Obsidian 500D
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung Odyssey G9
      • Internet:
      • 40Mbps SKY Fibre

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    The same tricks are used to make 3DMARK and many other software perform significantly better than AMD.
    What, you can make them faster by adjusting the monitors brightness??
    Maybe he was thinking of the Batman skullduggery? Who knows, but you did make me laugh

  9. #8
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I actually prefer the look of HDR, that's if the examples shown in the video weren't Nvidia's attempt at gimping things and the properly adjusted SDR, yes the colors look more muted but i quite like that.
    Agreed. Colours don't 'pop' IRL. The shadows were much more convincingly blended with the textures and incident lighting. The HDR samples were clearly more photo-realistic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  10. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    133
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked
    5 times in 5 posts
    • Primey0's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte X570 GAMING X
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
      • Memory:
      • Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB
      • Storage:
      • Corsair MP400 2TB NVME
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Palit GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB
      • PSU:
      • EVGA 850W GQ, 80+ GOLD
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-O11 Air
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    The same tricks are used to make 3DMARK and many other software perform significantly better than AMD.
    Whatever you say. Are AMD fanboys THIS delusional?

  11. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    207
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    14 times in 12 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Not surprising it's Nvidia, but any PC display that is not UHD Premium certified is not a real HDR display to begin with in my eyes as the UHD spec guarantees HDR meets certain criteria.

    A lot of PC monitor makers are jumping on HDR bandwagon but these are not UHD Premium certified displays they are their own attempts at HDR even some of the big names are doing it like Dell.

    It's very disappointing, if you want real HDR the only solution is to get a TV for now.

  12. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Third Foundation
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    99 times in 91 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato-2 View Post
    Not surprising it's Nvidia, but any PC display that is not UHD Premium certified is not a real HDR display to begin with in my eyes as the UHD spec guarantees HDR meets certain criteria.
    The UHD Premium certification has a gaping hole in it that no actual increased on-screen range is required to qualify (i.e. Local dimming on LCDs).

    So while TV manufacturers have been reasonable so far with it, it's certainly a poor benchmark and I'd be looking at actual hardware capabilities instead.

  13. #12
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Posts
    22
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Somebody get that guy in the Youtube video some acoustic panels!

  14. #13
    Be wary of Scan Dashers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    1,079
    Thanks
    40
    Thanked
    137 times in 107 posts
    • Dashers's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-5930K
      • Memory:
      • 48GB Corsair DDR4 3000 Quad-channel
      • Storage:
      • Intel 750 PCIe SSD; RAID-0 x2 Samsung 840 EVO; RAID-0 x2 WD Black; RAID-0 x2 Crucial MX500
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
      • PSU:
      • CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 720W
      • Case:
      • Corsair 500R
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Philips 40" 4K AMVA + 23.8" AOC 144Hz IPS
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTTC

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    High-dynamic-range is, technically, is the range between the darkest pixel and the brightest. A digital camera sensor being able to capture about 12 stops of range. Which works out around 4000:1 static contrast ratio on a monitor.

    When HDR is mentioned, a lot of people think about HDR photos that "pop" - these work by extending a camera's dynamic-range by over and under exposing some shots and merging the highlights and shadows from each to get the detail of both. In essence this is compressing the capturing range into a SDR image - the pop is just local processing, you can do it on a SDR source as well.

    From what I've seen of monitors recently there aren't really any that can produce the level of nits or static-contrast that give the term "HDR" any credibility.

    Colour gamut is something else again.

  15. #14
    Banned - repeated insults to other members
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    146
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    4 times in 3 posts

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    HDR monitors look better with movies/videos shot in HDR. Doubt games can really show case HDR monitors to the fullest.

    Still, typical of the sneaky bastards Nvidia...

  16. #15
    Be wary of Scan Dashers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    1,079
    Thanks
    40
    Thanked
    137 times in 107 posts
    • Dashers's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-5930K
      • Memory:
      • 48GB Corsair DDR4 3000 Quad-channel
      • Storage:
      • Intel 750 PCIe SSD; RAID-0 x2 Samsung 840 EVO; RAID-0 x2 WD Black; RAID-0 x2 Crucial MX500
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
      • PSU:
      • CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 720W
      • Case:
      • Corsair 500R
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Philips 40" 4K AMVA + 23.8" AOC 144Hz IPS
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTTC

    Re: Nvidia accused of HDR gaming showcase skulduggery

    Of course games can showcase HDR to the fullest. Live capture is limited to the capacity of the capturing chip. Whether that's filmed directly on digital or scanned from film.

    Whereas a game engine is just numbers, it can output any level of the dynamic range.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •