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    Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    But DeepMind AlphaGo tech will turn the tide for AI, say experts.
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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Not going to be long before bot detection becomes impossible
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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Not going to be long before bot detection becomes impossible
    True, but at what point does a bot become just another player?

    And having said that, your statement appears false anyway.. its going to become even easier to detect bots, just like when a "bot" pops up in COD and no one can even touch it because its simply too good.

    If anything, an undetectable bot would be one that was pretty much perfectly average, no better or worse than its human counterparts

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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Still waiting for OpenAI to rock up at the International 8 with a full bot team and go vs TI8 winners. Or all stars, either way. That will be worth seeing.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Not going to be long before bot detection becomes impossible
    Nah, it's okay, we'll train bots to do the estimation for us.

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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke7 View Post
    True, but at what point does a bot become just another player?
    When you have chosen to play against a bot.

    And having said that, your statement appears false anyway.. its going to become even easier to detect bots, just like when a "bot" pops up in COD and no one can even touch it because its simply too good.
    No way to programatically detect them and once they become good, they will learn how to disguise themselves as players.

    If anything, an undetectable bot would be one that was pretty much perfectly average, no better or worse than its human counterparts
    Or one that just a bit better then the best human in the lobby....
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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    No way to programatically detect them and once they become good, they will learn how to disguise themselves as players.

    Or one that just a bit better then the best human in the lobby....
    As far as my understanding of bots goes, it seems that making a smart bot dumber is the hardest possible thing to do convincingly. Variable intelligence? Sounds space age-y. Most implementations of trying to "dumb down" a bot thus far simply introduce flat rules, handicaps, etc?

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    With these behemoths of the industry forging ahead, it won't take long. AI is picking up pace at an alarming rate.
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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Not going to be long before bot detection becomes impossible
    Until someone makes an AI to detect bots

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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    As far as my understanding of bots goes, it seems that making a smart bot dumber is the hardest possible thing to do convincingly.
    I agree with that. I've heard actors\actresses say that it takes an expert to play a novice such as pretending to not be able to ski at all.

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    Re: Humans still reign supreme in StarCraft gaming

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozaron View Post
    As far as my understanding of bots goes, it seems that making a smart bot dumber is the hardest possible thing to do convincingly.
    Not really, getting kicked off would be just another 'undesirable outcome' factor the AI will account for, so it'll down-weight the plays it made before getting kicked off and it'll settle on a play style that lets it win and not get kicked off. The end result of teaching itself the game will be an AI player that's indistinguishable from a grand master player.
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