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But sometimes it compares the Epyc against very expensive Xeon CPUs.
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But sometimes it compares the Epyc against very expensive Xeon CPUs.
Charts released by Intel or AMD are worthless, they show what the manufacturer wants it to show. True comparisons are done independently, with tests that do not favour one cpu over another, and with cpu's that are in direct price competition with each other and not cherry picked.
I wouldn't say they're worthless, if we liberally sprinkle the results with plenty of salt just the fact that Intel has decided to not only run but also publish test results tells us a great deal, it tells us even Intel considers AMD Epyc processors worthy of comparison. They tell us Intel believes companies and/or people who are building HPC's or servers should consider going with AMD, something that most companies and/or people would have discounted out of hand only 6 months ago.
Lol, this is intel coming out and basically trying to deflect from the fact that AMD have a VERY good product for servers which costs considerably less than the intel option.
Lets look at it from a very simple business point of view... I can pretty much buy 2 systems with AMD epyc for the price of one intel based machine and get comparable performance in most areas.
You also have to love how intel falls back on single threaded performance, all while trying to push more cores is better at the same time, when most modern server software is being written for multi threaded systems lol
which is cheaper? by how much?
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Originally Posted by elites2012
The dark blue bars are benchmarks from a system packing Intel's Skylake-SP 8180M (MSRP of $13,000), that's considerably more than the AMD Epyc 7601 price of approx $4,200.
Interestingly, Scan will actually sell you an AMD EPYC 7601 processor (or at least, let you pre-order one). It's just a shade under £4100. Scan don't sell Xeon Scalable Processors, but Intel's ark site does give you the recommended customer price - $13,011.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSG501
That's a scary difference in price - almost three times as much for the Intel processor. And while it's not going to accurately define the difference in price of servers based on the platform, I don't see any way to make a server with $26k of processors cheaper than a sever with < $9k of processors.
OTOH, ark also gives us an insight into other Xeon SP - for instance the Xeon 8176 has the same 28C/56T setup as the 8180M, drops the base clock from 2.5GHz to 2.1GHz, halves the addressable memory (down from 1.5TB to 768GB), and kocks a third off the price. That said, it's still twice the price of the halo EPYC processor. You have to go all the way down to the bottom of the "Xeon Platinum" stack to get close to EPYC pricing - the 24C/48T 8160 is $4700. The top Xeon Gold is under $4k, but you've dropped all the way down to 22C/44T at that point - a price point that will still you get 32 cores/64 threads from the EPYC 7501.
Basically, Intel's server offerings currently ask for 2x - 3x the money for maybe 10% - 20% more performance in some tasks. Zen is a really well tuned core for mainstream server workloads, and EPYC is a lovely implementation of a server platform. I kind of wish I has a reason to invest in it ;)
Few give a rats about 2 socket.
most were forced into this inappropriate class by intels price gouging.
since epyc, amd stomp on intels 1p servers, and their 1p's come close to intel's 2p offerings.
Intel choose an irrelevant comparison cos they look least bad.
Their BS about single core being a big deal in servers is jsut sad.
That said, if you take one step down from the prime model to the 24 core 1p epyc, its a very decent, well clocked worker and only $1050usd. Swap that for a zen2 epyc in a ~year, and you have a very superior server.
The comparison neglects vital; ram size and speed, priceless 128 lanes & the related nvme quota and ability to raid them. They can keep their corner case wins.
The funny thing is that some of the licensing cost of software they run make the cost of the hardware look like peanuts even when picking an intel based machine lol. They're now pricing per core rather than socket... having said that it's possible in some cases to cover the cost of software licensing in that price difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by scaryjim