Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    26,425
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1,628 times in 565 posts

    HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    VESA will certify three levels of HDR support; DisplayHDR 400, 600 and 1000.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Oh Crumbs.... Biscuit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    N. Yorkshire
    Posts
    10,843
    Thanks
    1,296
    Thanked
    1,012 times in 781 posts
    • Biscuit's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASRock Z77 Pro4-M
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 3570 (Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Crucial DDR3 1866MHz
      • Storage:
      • 240GB Crucial M4, 480GB Crucial M500, 2TB Seagate SSHD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290X Vapor-X
      • PSU:
      • XFX 650W
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-V359
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2913WM & Philips E-line 234EL2SB
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity 80/20

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Bit late...

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Posts
    233
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    9 times in 8 posts

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Thank you for giving the 'marketing' people an excuse to release four new monitors all with stupidly made up price ranges.

    -Standard no HDR - Cheapo to silly price
    -dHDR 400 - Stupid price but not that bad. But still overpriced.
    -dHDR 600 - 'Are you taking the Michael' price?
    -dHDR 1000- Sells a kidney and still experiences issues with the new screen.

    Let's cut the rubbish for a second. ALL MONITORS could be HDR1000, 144Hz, 100% rgb blah by now. All of them. It's greed and that's about it. The ever slow progression of tech all defined by markets and sales. The list above might have been created for free but it's still a great, big, silly, marketing scheme that's going to cost you, as well as I, a whole load of cash.

  4. Received thanks from:

    Millennium (12-12-2017)

  5. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    4,268
    Thanks
    1,000
    Thanked
    542 times in 421 posts
    • ik9000's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P7H55-M/USB3
      • CPU:
      • i7-870, Prolimatech Megahalems, 2x Akasa Apache 120mm
      • Memory:
      • 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance 2133 11-11-11-27
      • Storage:
      • 2x256GB Samsung 840-Pro, 1TB Seagate 7200.12, 1TB Seagate ES.2
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB SuperOverClocked
      • PSU:
      • NZXT Hale 90 750w
      • Case:
      • BitFenix Survivor + Bitfenix spectre LED fans, LG BluRay R/W optical drive
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Professional
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2414h, U2311h 1920x1080
      • Internet:
      • 200Mb/s Fibre and 4G wifi

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Got to agree, what it needed was for them to say "in order to call it Vesa HDR it needs to meet the top tier requirements, end of." Then the bar gets raised and everyone has to jump to it. Instead it just gives licence for more BS. Like when TVs came out as HD ready because they could do 720i (not even 720p).

  6. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Dorset
    Posts
    364
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked
    13 times in 11 posts
    • LeetyMcLeet's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.4GHz
      • Memory:
      • 16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz
      • Storage:
      • 250GB Sammy 840 Evo (OS), 500GB Sammy 850 Evo (Games) and 4 x 2TB HDD's (Pr0n)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 2x GTX 670 2GB (Gigabyte WF3 Overclocked)
      • PSU:
      • beQuiet! SP 680W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design R4 (Black)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • ASUS IPS
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity Business (80/20 FTTC)

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur1814 View Post
    Thank you for giving the 'marketing' people an excuse to release four new monitors all with stupidly made up price ranges.

    -Standard no HDR - Cheapo to silly price
    -dHDR 400 - Stupid price but not that bad. But still overpriced.
    -dHDR 600 - 'Are you taking the Michael' price?
    -dHDR 1000- Sells a kidney and still experiences issues with the new screen.

    Let's cut the rubbish for a second. ALL MONITORS could be HDR1000, 144Hz, 100% rgb blah by now. All of them. It's greed and that's about it. The ever slow progression of tech all defined by markets and sales. The list above might have been created for free but it's still a great, big, silly, marketing scheme that's going to cost you, as well as I, a whole load of cash.
    +1 this. Textbook tech company marketing. CPU's and GPU's are the worst for this.

    They ought to add micro transactions while they're at it. You buy a display set to HDMI and pay a fee in order to unlock the DisplayPort interface

  7. #6
    Oh Crumbs.... Biscuit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    N. Yorkshire
    Posts
    10,843
    Thanks
    1,296
    Thanked
    1,012 times in 781 posts
    • Biscuit's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASRock Z77 Pro4-M
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 3570 (Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Crucial DDR3 1866MHz
      • Storage:
      • 240GB Crucial M4, 480GB Crucial M500, 2TB Seagate SSHD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290X Vapor-X
      • PSU:
      • XFX 650W
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-V359
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2913WM & Philips E-line 234EL2SB
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity 80/20

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Quote Originally Posted by LeetyMcLeet View Post
    +1 this. Textbook tech company marketing. CPU's and GPU's are the worst for this.

    They ought to add micro transactions while they're at it. You buy a display set to HDMI and pay a fee in order to unlock the DisplayPort interface
    Dont give them ideas... seriously

  8. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    2,638
    Thanks
    55
    Thanked
    110 times in 90 posts
    • Butcher's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI Z97 Gaming 3
      • CPU:
      • i7-4790K
      • Memory:
      • 8 GB Corsair 1866 MHz
      • Storage:
      • 120GB SSD, 240GB SSD, 2TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GTX 970
      • PSU:
      • Antec 650W
      • Case:
      • Big Black Cube!
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    They're not even great standards - the colour gamut is still pretty small and other than dHDR 1000 they're barely better than SDR. :/

  9. #8
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,654
    Thanks
    621
    Thanked
    835 times in 714 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    HDR can be nice (I've been playing a lot of Forza 7 and Gran Turismo in HDR) but I can't see myself buying a new monitor for it. If a monitor broke and I was purchasing a replacement, sure...but I don't really see it as a must have feature.

    Of course, I doubt I am indicative of the average consumer.
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Lenovo Flex 2 / 12GB RAM / 240GB Corsair Force 3 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: HTC One U11 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM12.1 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  10. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Merseyside
    Posts
    220
    Thanks
    8
    Thanked
    10 times in 9 posts
    • EvilCycle's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO
      • CPU:
      • Intel I7 7700K (OC to 4.8GHz on Corsair H100i V2)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 @ 3000MHz
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 840 evo 120GB SSD + 3 x 500GB 72000rpm HDD's
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Zotac GTX1070 AMP! EXTREME
      • PSU:
      • DEEPCOOL DQ 750st
      • Case:
      • Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Airflow Edition
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 380Mb (Fibre Optic)

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Not HDR related, but monitor related in general - As far as I am concerned we have only recently reached a place where 1080p 60hz is a comfortable standard in regards to gaming (which is why they are now trying to push everyone to 4k, spend a load of money on a monitor that your hardware is going to struggle within a year or so) so until 4k at 144hz is the equivalent to todays 1080p 60hz, then I will not be buying any fancy monitors of any kind, at least I will know my games will run at an acceptable level for a bit longer this way.

  11. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Third Foundation
    Posts
    910
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    99 times in 91 posts

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Butcher View Post
    They're not even great standards - the colour gamut is still pretty small and other than dHDR 1000 they're barely better than SDR. :/
    They'd be decent standards if the enforcement was up to scratch. 6000:1 contrast and 600cd/m² are good values. That's OLED HDR performance in non-dark scenes and speaking from personal experience that's pretty impressive.

    Unfortunately the testing this certification specifies is lax so that an IPS screen with a very crude local dimming system could pass it and such a screen wouldn't achieve anything like those values in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    HDR can be nice (I've been playing a lot of Forza 7 and Gran Turismo in HDR) but I can't see myself buying a new monitor for it. If a monitor broke and I was purchasing a replacement, sure...but I don't really see it as a must have feature.

    Of course, I doubt I am indicative of the average consumer.
    I'm guessing you're judging based on a mid-range TV that costs ~£800 or less? They don't have much in the way of HDR hardware and to judge the merits of the technology you really need to see it operating on a top of the range TV such as a Sony ZD9, or one of the OLEDs in a dimmer environment.

  12. #11
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,654
    Thanks
    621
    Thanked
    835 times in 714 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    I'm guessing you're judging based on a mid-range TV that costs ~£800 or less? They don't have much in the way of HDR hardware and to judge the merits of the technology you really need to see it operating on a top of the range TV such as a Sony ZD9, or one of the OLEDs in a dimmer environment.
    I've seen it on the high end stuff as well, which was why I didn't bother with a high-end model

    Hell, even at 65", the difference between 1080p and 4k was hard to see without getting too close to the screen, spotting HDR is even harder. When your gaming or engrossed in a film, you are not looking for the differences and then they become almost imperceptible.
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Lenovo Flex 2 / 12GB RAM / 240GB Corsair Force 3 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: HTC One U11 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM12.1 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  13. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    2,638
    Thanks
    55
    Thanked
    110 times in 90 posts
    • Butcher's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI Z97 Gaming 3
      • CPU:
      • i7-4790K
      • Memory:
      • 8 GB Corsair 1866 MHz
      • Storage:
      • 120GB SSD, 240GB SSD, 2TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GTX 970
      • PSU:
      • Antec 650W
      • Case:
      • Big Black Cube!
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Having seen proper HDR on a screen that could do 1000000:1 contrast and 2000cd/m² without local dimming (oh and REC 2020, it was amazing, also 5 figures); I'm keen for it when it becomes available. These halfway houses VESA have supplied just look a bit too much like 720p as "HD" did to me.

  14. #13
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    7,980
    Thanks
    323
    Thanked
    756 times in 655 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • M5A-97 EVO R2.0
      • CPU:
      • FX-8350
      • Memory:
      • 16GB ECC 1333
      • Storage:
      • 660GB Linux, 500GB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Nitro R9 380 4GB
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 24 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Samsung 2343BW 2048x1152
      • Internet:
      • 80Mb/20Mb VDSL

    Re: HDR confusion to be quashed by VESA DisplayHDR standards

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    Not HDR related, but monitor related in general - As far as I am concerned we have only recently reached a place where 1080p 60hz is a comfortable standard in regards to gaming (which is why they are now trying to push everyone to 4k, spend a load of money on a monitor that your hardware is going to struggle within a year or so) so until 4k at 144hz is the equivalent to todays 1080p 60hz, then I will not be buying any fancy monitors of any kind, at least I will know my games will run at an acceptable level for a bit longer this way.
    Which is why I bought a 1440p monitor, for me 27" is the largest I could take on the desk and the dot pitch seemed right. However in the same way that 1080p TV panels took off on computers rather than the better 1200 line 16x10 format I suspect that 4K TV panels will win in the end in which case it would be nice to know just how nasty the HDR support is.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •