Intel Pentium Silver CPUs introduced

[HEXUS]

Accompanied by all new Celeron processors. Both families are based on Gemini Lake.

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[Wolfclaw]

Good to see Intel trying to flog out of date CPU's that OEM's will put in under spec'd and overpriced PC's that retail outlets will sell, using dubious claims of gaming performance, just to ensure a sale and end of month sale quotas and bonuses !

Oh hang on, the chips support WIFI, has to be an error ???

[DanceswithUnix]

Oh hang on, the chips support WIFI, has to be an error ???

In an Atom SoC WiFi seems reasonable to have built in.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The latest Atoms are actually not that bad:

https://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware...o-l-chips.html

That is the 2016 version,and no doubt these are better. For a basic web browsing PC these should be fine especially since they support H265 playback too.

OFC,as mentioned earlier the main concern is what price range PCs and laptops they will be in.

[gagaga]

Good to see Intel trying to flog out of date CPU's that OEM's will put in under spec'd and overpriced PC's that retail outlets will sell, using dubious claims of gaming performance, just to ensure a sale and end of month sale quotas and bonuses !

Oh hang on, the chips support WIFI, has to be an error ???

These are brand new cores, and the latest video modules too. The same cores are used in pretty heavy-hitting networking and storage SKUs.

These will arrive in the baseline NUC - these make excellent systems for Kodi etc.

[scaryjim]

The latest Atoms are actually not that bad:

https://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware...o-l-chips.html ...

Heh, that's almost identical performance to my A10 4600M....

So is it good that my laptop performs like a Q6600, or bad that it performs like an Atom?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Heh, that's almost identical performance to my A10 4600M....

So is it good that my laptop performs like a Q6600, or bad that it performs like an Atom?

The 35W TDP A10 is 5 years old though,and the Q6600 was a 95W~105W TDP CPU.

Edit!!

A better comparison of the last few Atom CPUs:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12146...media-features

So the latest Atom is Goldmont Plus,as the IGP also handles HDR too and the L2 cache has now doubled. So that is Q6600 level performance down to around the 6W~10W TDP range.

[shaithis]

These will arrive in the baseline NUC - these make excellent systems for Kodi etc.

A NUC for Kodi? a £20 Android box will do that...

[DanceswithUnix]

Charlie puts the chips at $107 to $161.

I presume someone is pulling his leg, or Intel is collectively yanking our chains.

https://semiaccurate.com/2017/12/12/...ni-lake-atoms/

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Charlie puts the chips at $107 to $161.

I presume someone is pulling his leg, or Intel is collectively yanking our chains.

https://semiaccurate.com/2017/12/12/...ni-lake-atoms/

LMAO,hilarious pricing! OTH,its most likely the real price for OEMs will be somewhat less.

[scaryjim]

... I presume someone is pulling his leg, or Intel is collectively yanking our chains. ...

https://ark.intel.com/products/12899...up-to-2_70-GHz

Recommended Customer Price: $161.

One article I've read today reckons that the inclusion of wireless will reduce the BOM for device manufacturers, and to be fair to Intel the previous generation Pentium N4200 is also listed at $161....

[DanceswithUnix]

https://ark.intel.com/products/12899...up-to-2_70-GHz

Recommended Customer Price: $161.

One article I've read today reckons that the inclusion of wireless will reduce the BOM for device manufacturers, and to be fair to Intel the previous generation Pentium N4200 is also listed at $161....

For a part with Raspberry Pi class performance, it had better reduce the BOM by at least $150

[scaryjim]

Charlie puts the chips at $107 to $161.

https://semiaccurate.com/2017/12/12/...ni-lake-atoms/

Good lord, I've only just read through the rest of that. Charlie's really gone off on one one it, hasn't he!

I'm quite amused that he's whinging about Intel 'only' managing a 58% performance increase over 4 years - a quick comparison suggests that's probably more than they've managed from the mainstream desktop processors in the same timeframe!

I'm not sure what's up with the pricing on those chips, but having looked again I noticed that you don't start getting the "top end" Pentium N4200 from the previous generation until you get well up towards £400 laptops - at which point you can generally get something of similar spec but with an i3...

[Xlucine]

58% more for an atom is a very easy target - the original atoms were dire. With phone SoC's finally making their way into proper windows, is there any point in these atoms?

[scaryjim]

The original Atom maybe, but Charlie was specifically taking a dig "over the last 4 years", which means since Bay Trail - which was a completely revised micro-arch.

We're still a long way from knowing how Windows 10 on ARM is going to shake down, and today's Atoms are actually reasonable entry-level chips: as CAT's already pointed out the CPU is in the Q6600 ballpark, and the latest GPU iteration (in its 18 EU variant) is on a par with AMD's entry-level IGPs, and not far behind, say, my old A6 3670k (which would still be a very competent processor).

So I'd say these chips are definitely still relevant. Whether they're relevant at the prices Intel is asking, OTOH....

[DanceswithUnix]

So I'd say these chips are definitely still relevant. Whether they're relevant at the prices Intel is asking, OTOH....

My wife's Hudl 2 is dire, awful battery life and goes into thermal throttling after a few minutes of candy crush. The last generation of Atom chips seem a lot better, but I think that was part of Charlie's dig: Why didn't they compare against the last generation rather than going another generation back to the bad ones? We have a few Atom based devices kicking around the house from the D520 to a Z8350 and I will try not to buy any more as people just seem to work around them rather than with them.