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    Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Secure individuals rather than devices - Microsoft is making you the password.
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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    No thank you Microsoft. Won't be using Windows Hello, now or ever.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    To convince people you need to lay out what this will look like in actual use. How will I transfer biometric authentication between machines, how do I create throwaway logins, how do I get around it if I'm injured and so on.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    For me, the most important thing about this technology is that we're still given a choice.

    I feel that passwords, at least when I use them, are sufficiently secure.

    But at the same time, I'm aware of the inherent weaknesses of passwords when dealing with systems used by the general public, face/voice/iris ID etc. could be preferential if it means that my systems aren't blamed for being hacked in to when someone uses 123456 as their password.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Very technology dependant, and as demonstrated it isn't yet up to the standards it should be.
    Passwords have the advantage of being easily, and cheaply implemented.
    Biometric security is something we need to pay extra for, and it is still failing to do what it should be.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Big Brother is watching with gleeful interest...

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Passwords only become obsolete when face and finger tech cannot be bypassed by simple things like a photography, yeh Microsoft and Apple, I'm talking to you !

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Passwords are secure enough when used appropriately. If you're using a randomized 8-10 digit or longer password that contains no dictionary words or names, you're pretty much set. Find something that's easy for *you* to remember and there's absolutely no problem with passwords.

    The idiots who use 'password' and '12345678' deserve, 100% deserve, to be hacked. End of sentence. End of story. Period.

    What's sad, is that I used to work for a medical group in Southern California with about 17 doctors. Not quite half of them insisted upon threat of cancellation of our IT contract that they continue to be allowed to use their passwords like 'Password' and 'Password123', and that we not inconvenience the doctors or MAs or RNs with needing to remember a complicated password. We tried to convince them for over 10 years to be more secure.

    Yep. Some of your medical records are being secured somewhere in the world with the password 'Password' or 'Password123'.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    The main issue I find is with companies forcing you to change password every X number of days. If you force people to keep changing passwords they will make them the easiest possible just to meet the requirements. having multiple passwords at work is common. I think something should replace passwords but not sure what yet. I think more systems should support two factor authentication as this will stop people getting in even if people use stupid passwords.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    um... how exactly will this work with people like me who don't have (or even own in my case) a webcam on their pc, don't have a mic/headset and don't have any other form of 'security' option like a fingerprint sensor.

    I'm not going out to buy something just because someone says passwords are outdated....

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    If you password is leaked, you can change it.

    But if you biometric is leaked, you can only rely nobody use that in wrong way. There is no 100% reliable biometric scan, even DNA test can failed / be false. And what worse, you have the same "password" for every site, so anonymity are no longer available.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    appled failed the consumer again! They still buy the product. this reminds me of the days of the hyundai back in the 80'- 90's.

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Quote Originally Posted by lodore View Post
    The main issue I find is with companies forcing you to change password every X number of days. If you force people to keep changing passwords they will make them the easiest possible just to meet the requirements. having multiple passwords at work is common. I think something should replace passwords but not sure what yet. I think more systems should support two factor authentication as this will stop people getting in even if people use stupid passwords.
    Bill Burr, the man responsible for most of these rules even recognises that, and has apologised.

    https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/08/nist-new-password-guidelines/

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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    The first thing necessary to convince me to use bionetrics is tgat it works, 100% reliably, properly, safely. And they aren't there yet.

    The second thing is that the company holding either the biometric data, or some netric derived fron bionetric data, is trustworthy. That eliminates the likes of MS, Google, etc straight away because, as far as I'm concerned, they have already demonstrated, by their actions, that "all your privacy R belong to us" is their mantra. So .... "hell" no. Please substitute expletive of your preference for 'hell".

    The third thing is that the "use" to which biometrics is being applied justifies the use of such afundamentally personal and inherently unchangeable piece of personal data as biometric data. So far, and I stress so far, I have declined to renew my passport because of the strengtgening trend to require biometrics, and there are certainly countries (r.g. India) I will never visit, unless they change their requirements, becsuse of the intrusive nature of the visa firms.

    It comes down to how bad I want whatever is on offer, and whether it justifies answering nosy questions. Don't get me wrong - India is entitled to determine it's criteria for letting foreigners like me in. But I'm entitled to decline to answer .... and so not go.

    I regard all biometric data as top grade sensitive personal data, and it's going to require something truly important to me to get me to go along with using it, especially in these early days. Many earlier posts have listed the reasons why, including but not limited to ...

    - if everything uses biometrics, compromise one, compromise all.

    - I can change a password. I can't (easily) change fingerprints, facial elements, retinal characteristics let alone DNA.


    Even if vulnerable, both Apple and Microsoft's systems are surely an improvement over easily guessable and widely shared passwords
    Only someone highly naive or truly stupid uses easily guesssable or widely shared passwords for anything that matters. I'm not giving up my biometric privacy to protect fools and idiots from themselves.

    Microsoft Hello? Even if I hadn't abandoned Windows after W7, Hello? Hell, No.
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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Oh, and to add to my last post, never forget that the best form of computer and online security is to be VERY selective what data you put on computer, and even more so re: online, in the first place.
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    Re: Microsoft asserts that "It’s time to kill the password"

    Quote Originally Posted by Article
    A large number of users still regularly use passwords such as 'password' or '12345' to secure their access/data - and then they share this information when they are not supposed to.
    You mean like ...Windows 10 Wi-Fi Sense?

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