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    Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Both these SATA SSD ranges use Samsung 64 layer V-NAND tech and the MJX controller.
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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    "It backs up these figures by extending the warranties of the 860 SSDs to five years."

    They are also lowering the Pro warranties to five years from ten.

    Since the performance is so close now between the SATA Pro and Evo, there's very little to recommend the price premium for the Pro.

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    With the current support issues along with bad firmware releases I will no longer be buying Samsung SSD's especially after the last firmware promised hardware bitlocker and it turns out it's broken. I now have a drive locked in security mode and the best they can offer is an RMA as it isn't a priority fix. The 960 series is pretty much shagged with current firmwares, slow down's lock up's and the security issue all in the 3xxx firmware releases.

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Only 5 years for the Pro? - the 850 pro has 10 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoNz0 View Post
    With the current support issues along with bad firmware releases I will no longer be buying Samsung SSD's especially after the last firmware promised hardware bitlocker and it turns out it's broken. I now have a drive locked in security mode and the best they can offer is an RMA as it isn't a priority fix. The 960 series is pretty much shagged with current firmwares, slow down's lock up's and the security issue all in the 3xxx firmware releases.
    Which SSDs are you using now? I need one for a fairly mission critical system.
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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Laptops got the 960 evo 1tb in it.

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Thanks - I was looking for a 2.5" SATA drive.
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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    So is the new 860 Pro less reliable than the old 850 Pro?

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Only 5 years for the Pro? - the 850 pro has 10 years.

    Which SSDs are you using now? I need one for a fairly mission critical system.
    I have been looking for a reliable SSD recently after suffering an unexpected failure.

    My conclusion, is to buy an Intel one, because they appear to care much more than other makes about preventing data loss.

    The Tech Report did a long term test of SSDs where they wrote data constantly until they wore out and died.

    https://techreport.com/review/24841/...nce-experiment
    https://techreport.com/review/27909/...heyre-all-dead

    In that test, the Intel drive reported a wear-out remaining that steadily went down, and when it got to zero the drive went read-only to give you a chance to recover your data. (Though it then went inaccessible when it was power cycled).

    The Samsung drive on the other hand continuously reported that everything was great, until it died without any warning whatsoever. To me this is a bad failure mode for a storage device.
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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Quote Originally Posted by chrestomanci View Post
    To me this is a bad failure mode for a storage device.
    That is like a HDD going read-only when you have owned it for the warranty period. The wear indicator is only a cycle counter.

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Only 5 years for the Pro? - the 850 pro has 10 years.



    Which SSDs are you using now? I need one for a fairly mission critical system.
    Crucial are solid and have good support. Avoid Sandisk for the time-being. Intel used to be the gold standard but I have not kept up-to-date date with their latest SSD releases though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrestomanci View Post
    The Tech Report did a long term test of SSDs where they wrote data constantly until they wore out and died.

    https://techreport.com/review/24841/...nce-experiment
    https://techreport.com/review/27909/...heyre-all-dead
    That's actually quite interesting to read.

    *checks SMART status of SSDs*

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    That's actually quite interesting to read.

    *checks SMART status of SSDs*
    Yes it was - interesting that the Samsung actually outperformed te other drives on longevity - but then crashed spectacularly after a bashing that it would be unlikely to receive in general use.

    As you say - lesson is to keep an eye on the SMART data.
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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    Any drive with DRAM cache is bad for your data. Once it stops trusting the DRAM cache your drive is toast. All drives that have a controller trusting an highly corruptible DRAM cache are prone to go nuts on you. RMAd 4 sandisk bitchz in 2 years. <admin edited>. Backup! Backup! Backup!
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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    I thought the 860 came out years ago?

    I bought an 830 (thinking the 860 was too expensive at the time). Though I could have been thinking of something else. Probably the 850
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    850 iirc.

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    Re: Samsung launches 860 PRO and 860 EVO SSDs

    I've an 830 240Gb model that has been bullet proof. Over 20 terabytes written to it. I'm now in the market for another SSD, so would naturally look at Samsung again, but after the debacle of the 840?? I'd be wary of choosing them again.
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