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I really hope that the die shrink will give a decent TDP with nice performances, so I can buy one of those instead of giving money to that shady company that is nVidia.
Shady how? Trying to make money is shady? AMD just has morons for management who don't know how to price their products for profit. That isn't a problem for NV/Intel/Qcom/samsung/apple etc etc... Any company in business to be your friend will die, it's just a matter of how long their death is prolonged...PERIOD.
Though AMD's vid cards are usually sub-par (heat watts etc) so, perhaps these are priced ok. The problem is they kill their own margins by going HBM which is hard to produce and NOT necessary and far too expensive. Again, bad management. If they had went GDDR5x or even GDDR5 and quit shooting for 4k which is a minuscule portion of the market, they would have MUCH better margins and be able to put out cards in massive quantities, both of which lead to better profit, and more market share. So with vid cards the price isn't the problem, the chosen parts are which kill margins. TWO new product launches and they still can't make money. OUCH. Bad management. Great employees, but management that kills them too. Buzzwords don't win in an age where anyone can read a dozen reviews in a night.
I was expecting to see a 7nm Vega 48 this year? Maybe it'll still happen.
it's not really a case of bad management .. it's a case of catch up they sat on bulldozer to long and took to long to push out zen ..yes vega was a bad card money wise but it is a good base to move forward on .Originally Posted by nobodyspecial
and then you have the whole 2 things at once cpu and gpu .
now if zen+ and vega2 hit with better overall value there going to start to make money .. why do you think NVidia is holding back there new flagship ? and arm twisting all the manufactures ?
they have prob heard or even seen what it can do
What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)
To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....
@nobodyspecial
I think you're missing the point, Ginos comments are probably in respect to the very suspiciously shady GPP
Nothing wrong with trying to make money but how you do it is what matters.
By your reckoning theres nothing wrong with drug dealing they are only trying to make money, robbery?, only trying to make money, scamming the elderly?, once again only trying to make money.
Nvidia are a scummy company with their proprietary tech trying to lock people in and falsely keeping the price of GPU's high as they have no competition and thats just the tip of the iceberg.
There are 2 companys who will never see a penny of my money one is Nvidia the other is Apple. Rather than buy Nvidia i would just switch permenantly to console gaming.
Anti competitive is shady. PERIOD.
To me, your reply indicates very little understanding of AMD GPU's.
For one thing, the 14nm LPP manuf. process used for Vega resulted in high power consumption due to several reasons:
1. High clocks resulted in high power draw as 14nm LPP is suited for mobile parts, low clocks and low power consumption.
2. Lower yields which forced AMD to increase the voltage on their GPU's in order to increase yields.
When Vega is undervolted, its power consumption drops to Nvidia levels of efficiency (which has low voltages from factory because they used 16nm TSMC process which is suited for high performing parts) and have auto voltage tuning as well (so they can also set lower voltages than AMD).
Also, Vega 56 when undervolted and overclocked consumed less power than GTX 1080, while surpassing 1080 in performance.
Context is necessary. AMD GPU's are quite good.
I will admit their choice to go with HBM is different, but it only aided their GPU's compute capabilities (Which are nowhere near exploited/used by mainstream which are currently in Nvidia's pockets).
HBM may be more difficult to produce, but that's not AMD's issue, it's a supplier problem.
AMD's decision to go with HBM is actually quite sound... but the suppliers for HBM are to blame.
Similarly, AMD was stuck with 14nm LPP process from GLOFO as they are tied via contract to them and switching over to something else would have costed them money.
It was mentioned however that upcoming Vega GPU's will be made on 7nm process and TSMC process, whereas Zen 2 and 3 architectures will be using IBM's 7nm Leading Process which is suited for high performance and high powered parts.
This should radically increase Vega's ability to clock to much higher levels, but as it was evident from the real-world, Vega benefited most from overclocking the HBM for a minimal increase in power consumption (a 100MhZ increase in HBM clocks resulted in about 5W increase in power consumption).
The TSMC process should allow much higher core clocks on Vega (comparable to what is seen on Nvidia GPU's) without massive TDP increases... but Vega 20 for example should concurrently run on much higher HBM frequencies to improve performance as the GPU is basically bandwidth starved.
The 14nm LPP process is likely to blame here as it won't allow too high frequencies... in which case, AMD should have dialed back the clocks a bit more and increased HBM.
Incidentally, Vega 56 and 64 match 1070 and 1080 (and in some cases surpass them both when DX12 and certain Vega's features are used) using much lower stock clocks.
.......deksman2 thanks for the reply.
Seriously, you need to get a grasp on the difference between there, they're and their...
and you my friend need to understand that some people have difficulty's that they live with everyday we are all not perfect
What does it matter now if men believe or no?
What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
To murmur in pity that my words were true
(Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)
To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....
Speak for yourself!
Back on topic, should be interesting to see how the second iteration of Vega pans out with a different process to the one originally used.
Or read the forum rules, which are pretty clear about criticising people for this exact reason.
Im excited for this Vega release, I buy PC parts based on performance per $. Vega 56 and 64 are good cards and if they were available for close to RRP I would've bought one,the more economic option in S.A was to go for nvidia 1060 6GB for now after using a rx570 for a while.( I blame PUBG)
Lets hope that Ethereum has switched to POS by the time this card is in stores.
Why did you upgrade? The 570 is just as fast as a 6 GB 1060
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graph...-pulse-oc-4gb/
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