AMD adds energy-efficient Ryzen 3 2200GE, Ryzen 5 2400GE APUs

[HEXUS]

Clock tuning, and likely silicon binning, brings these APU TDPs down from 65W to 35W.

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[Tabbykatze]

It's a shame it's not with HBM like the Intel APUs, that would have been quite cool!

[scaryjim]

It's a shame it's not with HBM like the Intel APUs, that would have been quite cool!

The Intel Kaby-G processors aren't APUs. They have a stack of HBM because they include a genuine dGPU - provided by AMD - that's connected to the CPU by a normal PCIe link. It's just all stuck on a single package to save space. Plus, they have TDPs in the 65W - 100W range, not 35W. It's a real apples to oranges comparison....

[Tabbykatze]

The Intel Kaby-G processors aren't APUs. They have a stack of HBM because they include a genuine dGPU - provided by AMD - that's connected to the CPU by a normal PCIe link. It's just all stuck on a single package to save space. Plus, they have TDPs in the 65W - 100W range, not 35W. It's a real apples to oranges comparison....

I know it's not quite an official APU because the GPU and CPU aren't on the same die but they are on the same substrate and are therefore packaged the same.

It's kind've like saying a bicycle is a vehicle, it's not because it's a bike but by definition it has wheels and drives on a road so therefore it is a vehicle yet it's not (by UK law, a Bicycle is a vehicle (for clarification)).

It's an APU in some ways, not in others.

[DanceswithUnix]

It's an APU in some ways, not in others.

The GPU and CPU don't share the same memory which makes shared compute more complicated, which I think was one of the original ideas of an APU.

[lumireleon]

Main reason why AMD has not come with a HBM2 APU is that these chips will be used on laptop manufacturers who do specialized designs, its upto those OEMs to request AMD to do such a design. If you have noticed the PS4 was the first X86 machine to come with GDDR5 as main memory and to AMD it will not be an issue to plug HBM as main memory on any other design (they showed slide shows 3 years ago that they can!). So demand for it is the problem for AMD not the intellectual capabilities of their engineers.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I wonder how these with compare with the normal 65W TDP APUs but configured to a lower cTDP??

[Xlucine]

No included cooler is a shame, the wraith stealth would be very well matched to these. It's only ~60mm high too, so would fit in a fair few compact cases

[scaryjim]

... It's kind've like saying a bicycle is a vehicle, it's not because it's a bike but by definition it has wheels and drives on a road so therefore it is a vehicle yet it's not (by UK law, a Bicycle is a vehicle (for clarification)). ...

That's a really odd argument, given that a bicycle *IS* a vehicle (per dictionary.com: vehicle (n): any means in or by which someone travels or something is carried or conveyed; a means of conveyance or transport).

AMD coined and defined the term APU. Intel's never used it; they've always called their processors CPUs, even the ones with integrated graphics. AMD have only ever used the phrase to described a single die providing both CPU and GPU functionality.

The way you're choosing to use the term is nothing like the original intent or commonly understood meaning. Which is up to you, I guess, but personally I'm going to stick to the common usage.

[Tabbykatze]

The GPU and CPU don't share the same memory which makes shared compute more complicated, which I think was one of the original ideas of an APU.

That's fair enough, I guess i'm a bit broad with my term there as to me anything that is bonded to the same substrate is combined and is "APU-like"

That's a really odd argument, given that a bicycle *IS* a vehicle (per dictionary.com: vehicle (n): any means in or by which someone travels or something is carried or conveyed; a means of conveyance or transport).

AMD coined and defined the term APU. Intel's never used it; they've always called their processors CPUs, even the ones with integrated graphics. AMD have only ever used the phrase to described a single die providing both CPU and GPU functionality.

The way you're choosing to use the term is nothing like the original intent or commonly understood meaning. Which is up to you, I guess, but personally I'm going to stick to the common usage.

I guess I did have quite a broad description of the APU and a lot of people don't classify Bicycles as Vehicles and don't understand they need to abide by road law because of it and that's why I used that example (as clarified in my post, I do classify it as a vehicle). If intel coin a term AMD created for public consumption, that'll be the day...