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    AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    China-based Hygon branded chips are said to be nearly identical to the AMD EPYC range.
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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    That's going to be a nice stack of cash sitting in the back pocket for AMD!

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    lets hope they use it wisely
    What does it matter now if men believe or no?
    What is to come will come. And soon you too will stand aside,
    To murmur in pity that my words were true
    (Cassandra, in Agamemnon by Aeschylus)

    To see the wizard one must look behind the curtain ....

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    Cue the billion dollar fine from the USG.

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    Their Trump card?

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    Quote Originally Posted by msroadkill612 View Post
    Their Trump card?
    So it's true that it feels like Trumps been president forever. (the ban was Obama's doing)

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    It all sounds wonderfully clever, but if I where AMD, I would worry that Trump will bring out his ban hammer and kill the whole thing, especially if the lobbyists from Intel convince him that AMD is un-american and give a wedge of cash to his Tea Party allies.

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    From a legal standpoint, they're following the rules. Rules mean absolutely nothing where it comes to Trump, you only have to look at the ensuing trade battle he's starting with everyone. Which then begs the question, if there is a company that can profit legally from China without affecting any ongoing trade disputes (if anything, benefit the import / export side of things by bringing money back to the US), what would he likely do in that particular situation?

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    It's a whole can of whoop ass - or Trump Gas
    Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    TBH, given how many graduate engineers China knocks out every year I expect this is just a stop-gap whilst learning how to roll their own hardware. In fact, if they could make an AM4 socket RISC-V chip at a decent price it could cause quite a stir (as I believe AMD's custom ARM chip would have if they had had the balls to actually make it).

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    TBH, given how many graduate engineers China knocks out every year I expect this is just a stop-gap whilst learning how to roll their own hardware. In fact, if they could make an AM4 socket RISC-V chip at a decent price it could cause quite a stir (as I believe AMD's custom ARM chip would have if they had had the balls to actually make it).
    My opinion is that the US used "national security" / "nuclear program" as an excuse to hold back processing power from China to hold back their economic progress. The model here seems similar to me to the ARM / Snapdragon / Kirin model where China takes the IP, learns how to use it and then eventually they'll come out with their own design from scratch.

    The US has had their most prestigious PhD courses (such as at MIT) full of foreign students for years as they just aren't producing the home grown graduates and foreign students bring money. They then go and get surprised when there's a mini Silicon Valley popping up in every other province in China.

    I've seen this before in so many realms - starts with direct copies, then modified rip offs and then they make their own from scratch. Once they reach that final stage, the copyright / patent stuff is no longer an issue so they can sell internationally and they usually have the production means and government support to pull it off.

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    The problem is you can't stop what you describe, philehidiot. If you ban the sale of something to another country at best all you're doing is buying yourself a short term delay that eventually leaves you in a worse place than when you started, yes you prevent them getting their hands on large quantities but the unintended consequence of that is a loss of sale and pushing them to develop their own alternative.

    In the case of banning Xeon sales to China it meant they stepped up plans to develop their own processors that one day may rival Intel on the global stage and it hurt Intel financially.

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    Re: AMD Zen-based Hygon Dhyana CPUs start to appear

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    In the case of banning Xeon sales to China it meant they stepped up plans to develop their own processors that one day may rival Intel on the global stage and it hurt Intel financially.
    When anyone in the world can git clone the boom processor as a starting point it's a good job China don't have access to good fabs. Oh...

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