Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 20

Thread: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    27,287
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1,680 times in 584 posts

    Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Widely slated Aliens action game from Gearbox fixed with a single char .ini edit.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    RGB Champion Ttaskmaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Reading, UK
    Posts
    3,998
    Thanks
    136
    Thanked
    415 times in 343 posts
    • Ttaskmaster's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X99-PRO
      • CPU:
      • i7 5820K J-batch o/c to 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Corsair DDR4 somethingorother
      • Storage:
      • Samsung Evo 120GB and Seagate Baracuda 2TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Gigabyte G1 GTX980Ti
      • PSU:
      • EVGA Supernova G2 1000W
      • Case:
      • Phankecks Enthoo Luxe perspex window
      • Operating System:
      • Win10 64 Home
      • Monitor(s):
      • Acer Predator XB270HU 1440 IPS GSync
      • Internet:
      • BT 0.7Mbps 'In The Sticks' version

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    I'll have to check this out when I get home.

  3. #3
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    10,791
    Thanks
    942
    Thanked
    915 times in 679 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Maximus VII Gene
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-4771
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LP 1866MHz C10
      • Storage:
      • 250GB Samsung 850 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • Corsair RM550
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MK241
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps UPC Cable

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Why would they even make that relationship value a userspace .ini configurable in the first place? That's crazy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Merseyside
    Posts
    325
    Thanks
    12
    Thanked
    17 times in 13 posts
    • EvilCycle's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO
      • CPU:
      • Intel I7 7700K (OC to 4.8GHz on Corsair H100i V2)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 @ 3000MHz
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 840 evo 120GB SSD + 3 x 500GB 72000rpm HDD's
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Zotac GTX1070 AMP! EXTREME
      • PSU:
      • DEEPCOOL DQ 750st
      • Case:
      • Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Airflow Edition
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 380Mb (Fibre Optic)

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    This should forever be documented in college and university courses to show how powerful something as simple as a typo within code can be.

    One extra letter in the wrong place has literally tarnished this game forever. I feel really bad for them now actually.

  5. Received thanks from:

    MLyons (16-07-2018)

  6. #5
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,765
    Thanks
    629
    Thanked
    864 times in 730 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    I feel really bad for them now actually.
    I don't.

    1. They released it like that, clearly no concern for QA
    2. How long has it taken to identify and fix? 4 Years and it was fixed by a member of the community, not the developer


    This is a shining example of whats wrong with the industry currently.
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Lenovo Flex 2 / 12GB RAM / 240GB Corsair Force 3 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: HTC One U11 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM12.1 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  7. Received thanks from:

    AGTDenton (18-07-2018),MLyons (16-07-2018)

  8. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Merseyside
    Posts
    325
    Thanks
    12
    Thanked
    17 times in 13 posts
    • EvilCycle's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO
      • CPU:
      • Intel I7 7700K (OC to 4.8GHz on Corsair H100i V2)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 @ 3000MHz
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 840 evo 120GB SSD + 3 x 500GB 72000rpm HDD's
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Zotac GTX1070 AMP! EXTREME
      • PSU:
      • DEEPCOOL DQ 750st
      • Case:
      • Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Airflow Edition
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 380Mb (Fibre Optic)

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I don't.

    1. They released it like that, clearly no concern for QA
    2. How long has it taken to identify and fix? 4 Years and it was fixed by a member of the community, not the developer


    This is a shining example of whats wrong with the industry currently.
    Point one I do agree with, it shouldn't have passed release, but the issue was obviously unseen and considered to be non-existent before it appeared on shelves.

    The second point depends, sometimes when you run across an issue like this you will be diving deep into all kinds of reasons why the AI isn't functioning correctly on a technical level, not thinking it would be a simple typo in an .ini file, especially if the AI was working fine in-house before release.

    You are completely right, but I can have empathy towards how this would have happened, and the reality is, it is one single person making one simple typing mistake that has ruined the reputation of many good intentioned workers, and that is why I feel bad for them.

    I am not excusing them, just explaining why I feel this way whether right or wrong.

  9. #7
    Admin Team peterb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Southampton
    Posts
    18,178
    Thanks
    2,482
    Thanked
    3,025 times in 2,415 posts
    • peterb's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Nascom 2
      • CPU:
      • Z80B
      • Memory:
      • 48K 8 bit memory on separate card
      • Storage:
      • Audio cassette tape - home built 5.25" floppy drive
      • Graphics card(s):
      • text output (composite video)
      • PSU:
      • Home built
      • Case:
      • Home built
      • Operating System:
      • Nas-sys
      • Monitor(s):
      • 12" monocrome composite video input
      • Internet:
      • No networking capability on this machine

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Good job it wasn't in a serious application!
    (\__/)
    (='.'=)
    (")_(")

    Been helped or just 'Like' a post? Use the Thanks button!
    My broadband speed - 750 Meganibbles/minute

  10. #8
    Senior Member spacein_vader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Darkest Northamptonshire
    Posts
    727
    Thanks
    43
    Thanked
    127 times in 98 posts
    • spacein_vader's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus B85M-G
      • CPU:
      • i5 4460 3.2GHz
      • Memory:
      • 4x4GB Crucial DDR3 1600
      • Storage:
      • 128GB SSD, 256GB SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus RX-480 Dual OC 4GB
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX 520W modular
      • Case:
      • Antec Mini P180
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • BenQ GW2765, Dell Ultrasharp U2412
      • Internet:
      • Origin Fibre Max

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    This should forever be documented in college and university courses to show how powerful something as simple as a typo within code can be.

    One extra letter in the wrong place has literally tarnished this game forever. I feel really bad for them now actually.
    Don't feel bad for them. The game is still awful. The AI added to that but it wasn't all that made it a terrible game.

  11. #9
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    33
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked
    2 times in 2 posts
    • tweake628's system
      • CPU:
      • I7 7700HQ
      • Memory:
      • DDR4 2400 16 GIGS
      • Storage:
      • 1 TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • AMD RX580 8GB
      • PSU:
      • 230 WATT
      • Case:
      • 17 INCH OMEN LAPTOP
      • Operating System:
      • windows 10 home
      • Monitor(s):
      • 17 inch 1080

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    I still liked the game

  12. #10
    Ryzen Master race outwar6010's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Londinium
    Posts
    1,799
    Thanks
    324
    Thanked
    197 times in 134 posts
    • outwar6010's system
      • Motherboard:
      • asus Crosshair x370
      • CPU:
      • 1800x @ Stock
      • Memory:
      • Team Group Dark Pro Edition 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHZ
      • Storage:
      • More than most
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Gigabyte Aorus 1080
      • PSU:
      • corsair ax 760
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster cosmos 2
      • Operating System:
      • windows 10 pro 64 bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • hp omen 32
      • Internet:
      • Bt infinite

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    I feel really bad for them now actually.
    I don't.

    1. They released it like that, clearly no concern for QA
    2. How long has it taken to identify and fix? 4 Years and it was fixed by a member of the community, not the developer


    This is a shining example of whats wrong with the industry currently.
    Wasn't the game made by gearbox? I remember hearing at the time, that gearbox used money sega gave them on borderlands 2 development instead.
    Facts don't exist, only interpretations.


  13. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    214
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked
    9 times in 9 posts

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    well, i thought i`d give it a punt for two-pound-fifty but the price on fanatical is £24.95- maybe the price hexus quotes here was also the product of a typo?

    if anybody does find it for a really cheap price i would greatly appreciate a nudge in the right direction.
    cheers.

  14. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    106
    Thanks
    23
    Thanked
    9 times in 8 posts
    • blokeinkent's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASRock Z170 Extreme6+
      • CPU:
      • Core i7 6700K s1151 4.0GHz
      • Memory:
      • 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX Black PC4-25600 (3200)
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 250GB Evo SSD + Corsair 256GB SSD + WD 4TB + WD 3TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 1070 FTW Gaming ACX 3.0
      • PSU:
      • Corsair TX 650
      • Case:
      • Corsair Carbide 300R
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Acer Predator XB281HK 4K
      • Internet:
      • TalkTalk Faster Fibre +Boost

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    As a professional programmer I have no sympathy at all. Rule 1 you always go back to the code.

    If you can't find the cause to something effecting gameplay to such an extent in a crucial area like this then you either 1) don't release it 2) didn't notice it, in which case WTF model were they working with?! or 3) cashing in with the hope it can be patched on/after release.

    As for a typo on something like a variable or class, well, if you can't run the equivalent of option explicit, or have the worlds only compiler not to find something as such, then you shouldn't be allowed near a feckin keyboard. This is not one persons mistake, and as alluded to was only one of many flawed areas of what should've been a top seller.

  15. #13
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    8,942
    Thanks
    408
    Thanked
    885 times in 755 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • M5A-97 EVO R2.0
      • CPU:
      • FX-8350
      • Memory:
      • 16GB ECC 1333
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Linux, 1TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 28 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Samsung 2343BW 2048x1152
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb/20Mb VDSL

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by blokeinkent View Post
    As a professional programmer I have no sympathy at all. Rule 1 you always go back to the code.
    Unless blocked by management. I have been at companies where the only thing you can do as a competent and professional programmer is leave, but I feel sorry for customers as I head out the door.

  16. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    North Wales
    Posts
    1,693
    Thanks
    154
    Thanked
    243 times in 179 posts
    • virtuo's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus GRYPHON Z87
      • CPU:
      • i7 4790K @4.8Ghz Corsair H100i GTX
      • Memory:
      • 32Gb G.Skill TridentX 2400 @ CAS9
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 840 EVO 120Gb + Many, many HDs
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 980Ti FTW
      • PSU:
      • EVGA Supernova G2 750W
      • Case:
      • be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 (Orange)
      • Operating System:
      • Win10, Fedora
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2x Dell U2515H 1440p DELL U3415W Ultrawide for Work
      • Internet:
      • PlusNet Unlimited 80Mb

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by blokeinkent View Post
    Rule 1 you always go back to the code.
    It sounds like the code was probably working fine, it'll pass it's unit tests. The issue seemed to have been a bad (but not broken) configuration file.

    I've seen the whole software testing 'industry' go down the pan in the last 10-20 years. Nobody cares any more, or they aren't given the time or reward to care.

  17. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    157
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked
    5 times in 5 posts
    • gordon861's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8P67 Pro
      • CPU:
      • i5-2500
      • Memory:
      • 16GB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 980GTX
      • Operating System:
      • Win7-64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 3x Benq 2760

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    This should forever be documented in college and university courses to show how powerful something as simple as a typo within code can be.

    One extra letter in the wrong place has literally tarnished this game forever. I feel really bad for them now actually.
    I still think the Eve Online BOOT.INI incident was a lot worse than this.

  18. #16
    Now 100% Apple free cheesemp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Near the New forest
    Posts
    2,162
    Thanks
    141
    Thanked
    137 times in 95 posts
    • cheesemp's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z77-D3H
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 3570k @ 4.2
      • Memory:
      • 16gb Crucial Ballastix Elite DDR3 @1866
      • Storage:
      • 64Gb M4 + 240Gb arc100 + 2x500Gb HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • RX 480 8Gb Nitro+ OC
      • PSU:
      • Antec 650W Semi modular
      • Case:
      • NZXT Source S340 Mid Tower
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 32" QHD AOC Q3279VWF
      • Internet:
      • FTTC ~30Mb

    Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines AI was dumb because of a typo

    Could all be a simple case of the AI guy leaving before the game was released so no knew about it come release. Just hope he wasn't unfairly tarred by games poor rep.
    Trust

    Laptop : Lenovo G505s A8-5550m 8Gb 240Gb SSD Radeon HD 8550G + Radeon HD 8570M dual graphics

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •