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Because I only buy the phone handset, I'm not tied into a contract, it lasts me for years (still using my 5S)Quote:
Originally Posted by cheesemp
iPhone was 56% of revenue for 3Q? That doesn't indicate a one trick pony.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSG501
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Originally Posted by TheAnimus
Actually, they didn't release the new ones in this quarter, unlike previous 3Q. Those sales will reflect in 4Q.Quote:
Originally Posted by aidanjt
One product line is over half of their revenue, you also need to factor in that a fairly large percentage of the remaining 44% is also linked to the iPhone via accessories, add on's etc including the itunes store, the apple watch, airpods, even the homepod is kind of linked to the iPhone.... Non iPhone related items account for around 25% (if that) based on what I can see in the report so I'd see that as a concern if I was an investor but that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iota
I own a an Android nexus 5x my next phone will be apple. They offer battery change service now. I know my phone will get updated and supported for 4 years. I can choose if I want to to extend the warranty on my phone. Good luck with Xiaomi, samsung etc support. Apple are no saints but seem to be taking privacy a little more seriously than google who are an ad company. Also they have a range of phones for various budgets 6,7,8,x so if you don't need the latest and greatest. They still make a small phone if thats your thing.
They've 'always' had a battery change service, it cost like $100 (can't remember UK price), people are only aware of it now due to the fact they had to drop the price due to the 'performance nerf' they did to old models in the hope of getting users to upgrade, sorry I mean to maintain the 'quality' experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob4001
You can extend warranty on pretty much anything so not exactly a new thing there.
And LOL at 'they have a range of phones for various budgets'...yeah I don't think I need to cover that one, can I just ask, do you work for Apple?
I can understand people getting iPhones since they like the look or the UI,but the rest of it reminds me of the whole Mac vs PC ads TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob4001
Also you mean Xiaomi,where you can buy phones with dual cameras for under £150?? Terrible example.
The Mi A1 is Android One so gets continuous updates and has a dual 26MM/50MM camera design,so you can go and justify paying through the nose for overpriced "high end phones" with a very low BOM,and enrich all the shareholders.
I will buy a cheaper phone and use it for 2 years fine(or even more),and get another one and still spend less money overall than a cheap "high end phone".
High end phones are some of the biggest rip-offs with high margins,hence why Apple is making decent money.
Plus LOL at the privacy - what world are you in? If you think your iPhone will save you,then I hope you have had a very good think about all data you present to the world.
Heard of Tempura or the similar stuff the NSA have in the US - the government can look at ANYTHING you do with en electronic footprint. Everytime you use the internet everything is routed through an ISP or network who will see all your traffic:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb.../#36852f421d17
https://www.le-vpn.com/can-isps-sell-data/
ISPs will use that data in the US for their own purposes,so when they say third parties,what about businesses owned by them?? ;)
If you really care about privacy,don't own a smartphone. Maybe you need to look at all those apps you install on your smartphone and ask why they need all those "permissions" and what data they are gaining from you??
I hope you don't use a points card or shop loyalty scheme - those track your purchasing habits so that companies can build a profile of you,and the analysis has become so accurate they can even build profiles of customers which can even tell if a women has recently become pregnant. Have Amazon Echo,or any other similar device - don't you think companies won't use the data to analyse customer habits so they can sell stuff to you?? The Ecco definitely stores user data as data from one ws used in a trial recently.
Have you not even thought a credit card company will look at your purchasing habits either?? They sell the data to advertisers:
https://www.businessinsider.com/cred...rs-2013-4?IR=T
https://www.newsweek.com/secretive-w...out-you-464789
I also hope you don't use Facebook and other social media,the amount of data companies and governments have mined from that must be massive.
Steam will probably look at what kind of games you like,and probably have data on you,and games companies sell lots of data about you,and use big data to gain information on users:
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...about-you.html
https://datafloq.com/read/gaming-ind...aming-expe/137
Councils sell data about you:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...k-8793602.html
Look at big data companies like Peter Thiel's Palantir used by multiple companies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...r-peter-thiel/
Governments even use them to build profiles of people. Palantir was used by the NSA.
Plus think of Cambridge Analytica and so many similar companies.
People always only think of Google,when there are plenty of big data and analytics companies which aggregate data from multiple sources for their "customers".
Windows probably reports back on you. AV software now asks you whether they can check your own usage habits for "better services".
Have you even thought about smart devices and the smarthome,how much of this could be used to gain data from you?? Data from an Amazon Ecco was used in a trial meaning the data is stored for periods.
At least Google tells you they are using your data to provide a service via ads,but the rest of them keep quiet.
The fact is unless you are very careful YOU will be dropping data everywhere,which can be aggregated from multiple sources especially by big data companies,and the other aspect is you really need to think of your data chain if you care that much.
If you are worried about Privacy,you need to be a a total gridder and/or shun lots of tech which is connected via networks,ie, a technology off-gridder.
Now people might not agree with me,but that's at least what I have come to,from my basic level of research.
This is more explain the ethos that has driven the performance the last few quarters as to why the new models are what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iota
The i9 model for instance isn't remotely for anyone professional.
1. Work phonesQuote:
Originally Posted by cheesemp
2. Chances are the people buying these mega expensive phones earn less than you. They are just complete muppets that have no idea how much they actually cost them.
Wow I certainly got roasted for saying a I wqill buy an Apple as my next phone!
As for Apple yes you pay a premium they are still good phones though I will not be buying the latest or greatest an iphone 7 can be had for $500 off apple store its a decent phone. I would say that Android devices except google have piss poor customer service though.. Yes apple are not with out there controversy but at least you have retail stores an a point of reference than outsourced uninterested customer service that everyone hates. Try using your LG, Samsung, Xiaomi customer service. The only Android phone id be interested in is Nokia but they do not sell the flagship one where I live. Google are just as pricey as iphones now since shutting down their nexus range. Yes some phones now come with android one but not many and Android is still an extremely patchy fragmented OS and either have to rely on your carrier to roll out updates often months after they come out or you don't get them at all.
Its just a personal choice and those are some of my reasons for switching to iphone.
perpetual credit cards / loans for most people...and how easy phone companies make it to part with your money. "free" phone that's not really free, annual or biannual "upgrade" that nobody needs, a "contract" which is basically expensive loan, phones are essential but £1k phone isn't - evil brainwashing and psychological manipulation at its bestQuote:
Originally Posted by cheesemp
Easy. My phone is pretty much my most used bit of work tech. I use it for GPS, music/video/training whilst out commuting/exercising, email, linkedin, video conferencing, slack, skype, online banking, signal, price comparison whilst out shopping etc. I also use it for making calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheesemp
I buy off contract so I'm not tied to any provider, and I can pick and choose when I upgrade. £900 might sound like a lot of money for a mobile device, but many people would spend £500+ on a GPU or £300+/month on a car, which they're likely to get much less use out of.
None of what you says needs a £900 phone though. Mates with sub £400 phones do all of what you do fine.Most of the usage you talk about is common for most people.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0redom
I do all of that on phones under £250 which are even cheaper. The main limitations will be cooling and RAM. Many lower end devices have 3GB to 4GB RAM now.
I play location based games like Ingress which really need accurate location,and tax GPS and data massively and by extension battery life,and even played it at the top of Snowdon on a sub £150 Moto G,which interestingly enough got waterproofing/splash proofing before many higher end phones.
My current Huawei P9 Lite which cost £125 in 2016 was running it fine on holiday,together with Google Maps in the background,Chrome,etc in 30C+ and 80% to 90% humidity fine. That means both GPS,data and batteries being hammered,and I even had an external battery plugged at times on the go,so it was being charged too.
I tend to not mollycoddle my phones. If I have to,they are pointless for me.
There used to be a time many years ago,when the lower end devices were really rubbish,but at the point you saw phones like the Nexus 4 being released,and then the original Moto G,this has heralded a revolution in lower cost phones.I remember starting a thread on OcUK about the Moto G,and it ended up with nearly 200000 views!
The phone will be in a case anyway,so any pretty design gets hidden and the only reason I might buy a more expensive phone if the camera was actually worth it,but in the latter case,I am not paying 4 times the price,for a sub $50 set of cameras in modern high end smartphones and hence why smartphone sales are slowing down,since I suspect are just waiting longer between upgrades
You can see that in the Apple and Samsung financials,and the increased pricing has compensated for this.
I can literally buy a Sony RX100 for less money,and have two upgrade cycles for my current cheaper phones and for social media posting its not like people notice the difference between cameras anyway as the images are downsized.
Edit!!
BTW,I am sure a £900 phone is shinier though! ;)
Absolutely you can. I am just making the point that it's easy for me to justify it given how much I use it in a similar way to people justifying their E-class Mercs over 1.1 Fiestas given they can both do the speed limit everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I don't either. I have an autistic 5 year old who will tend to launch my phone on a semi regular basis, and I'm pretty clumsy anyway. My current iPhone X is in an Otterbox and previously I've used Lifeproof Fre cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Again I think you're right. I only upgraded from an iPhone 6s plus as I wanted more storage so I could download a bunch of LinuxAcademy and aCloudGuru content to watch on the train. I've basically given my iPhone 6s to my son who uses it for all sorts of games etc. It's still completely serviceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Probably. It's a tool for me though. If there's a killer feature on the next iPhone next time around I'll upgrade. If not I won't. I'm not a hipster. I don't care about having the absolute latest and greatest. I just want something which works.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I have a 2016 MBP, the first gen with the LED bar thing. As a laptop it's OK. The function bar is really just a gimmick though. I've not found a use case for it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash
I will happily pay extra for added functionality in the OS to a point, but I've experienced a few things like the font manager deregistering proline fonts (which I use for git in a shell session) and generally OSX seems to be becoming worse. I'll continue to stick with it as it still has some functionality which I can't get in either Windows or Linux, but I'm increasingly drawn to a Dell XPS running Linux as my next laptop.
True,but I think the issue is I can't justify since the cheapo one seems to be fine. Probably why I keep wishing they improved aspects of the phones!!Quote:
Originally Posted by b0redom
It was much easier in the past though! :p
Mine has a £3 case,and since its not one of the newer all glass jobbies,seems to get away with it,but newer phones something like an Otterbox,or Casemate phones are really worth it. I have a dislike of all glass phones,as for it its greatness the Nexus 4 was a mostly glass jobbie and it showed. I wish more phones went the way of the Moto X Force as that was just mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0redom
But TBH,even if glass,etc looks nice basic plastic and metal tends to be survivable,so seen lots of people who want to not bury the looks of their latest phone,end up with a cracked one! :(
Figures show this - I just hope Apple/Samsung really try to innovate. It would be nice if flexible screens could be used in a meaningful way(plus they should be hard to break). Last rumour has Huawei being the first,even before Samsung. I get the impression both companies just are poking each other in a holding pattern. It does make me wonder if Steve Jobs was still around whether Apple might have pushed somewhat more.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0redom
Even one of my mates finally dumped there Nexus 4 for one of the Huawei jobbies(P10 Lite IIRC). A lot of phones tend to hit issues when it comes to RAM,ie,newer updates slowly increase RAM usage,or alternatively the storage can start to wear out.
Having said that I don't like the move towards non-upgradeable storage for phones. New generation micro-SD cards are fast!! So much so my last SD card for my dSLR has been a Samsung Pro series one,so re-use will be easier.
They tend to push more shininess on the more expensive phones,but since the cameras for me are not worth the extra cost of a higher end phones,I can't justify an expensive one,especially since it means I could spend the extra on other stuff(which I prefer).Quote:
Originally Posted by b0redom
Having said that after using someone elses Xiaomi Mi A1,I was impressed on what you can get for £160 and under nowadays.