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    Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    IronWolf & IronWolf Pro for NAS, BarraCuda Pro for desktop, plus SkyHawk and Exos X14.
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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Wasn't it only last year that 3TB or so was the big thing then here we are with 14 goddam TBs!

    Jesus H. Christ that's a lot of storage, not bad pricing either.

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    "Seagate Exos X14 drives are designed for advanced hyperscale data centres with their enhanced areal density in a compact 3.5-inch form factor."

    it's exactly the same form factor as all the others above

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    I'm honestly confused as to why there is even still 'development' of mechanical drives...

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Quote Originally Posted by big_hairy_rob View Post
    I'm honestly confused as to why there is even still 'development' of mechanical drives...
    Cost
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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Cost
    Also data retention. Data degrades in powered down SSD's
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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Cost
    Also data retention. Data degrades in powered down SSD's
    Source for that?

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Source for that?
    https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/...gin-lose-data/

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/solid-...st-a-few-days/

    https://www.micron.com/about/blogs/2...ention-in-ssds

    Are some - there are others. Equally there are some articles that say it is rubbish - but on balance it seems that there is a risk of data loss if theSSD is left unpowered for an extended period of time.
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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    it seems that there is a risk of data loss if the SSD is left unpowered for an extended period of time.
    The data retention figures quoted in that infamous JEDEC presentation are for SSDs that have already exceeded their endurance rating and stored at 30°C or 40°C.

    I have had SSDs at work left unpowered for over a year without any data loss. These are SSDs used in a typical client environment so are nowhere near reaching their TBW rating.

    As AnandTech pointed out below, for most people the drive will become obsolete quicker than it will lose data.

    https://www.micron.com/about/blogs/2015/may/addressing-data-retention-in-ssds

    The JEDEC specification for data retention tells us that for enterprise storage devices, data retention at the end of the service life shall be at least three months (stored at 40°C). For SSDs in the client computing market, data retention shall be at least one year after the drive’s service life (assuming it’s stored at 30°C). At the SSD level, this service life is specified in total bytes written, or TBW. For client SSDs, TBW ratings range from tens to hundreds of terabytes (10^12 bytes), whereas for enterprise drives, TBW ratings are in the petabyte range (10^15 bytes) and higher.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/9248/the-truth-about-ssd-data-retention

    In the past week, quite a few media outlets have posted articles claiming that SSDs will lose data in a matter of days if left unpowered. While there is some (read: very, very little) truth to that, it has created a lot of chatter and confusion in forums and even I have received a few questions about the validity of the claims, so rather than responding to individual emails/tweets from people who want to know more, I thought I would explain the matter in depth to everyone at once.

    [...]

    All in all, there is absolutely zero reason to worry about SSD data retention in typical client environment. Remember that the figures presented here are for a drive that has already passed its endurance rating, so for new drives the data retention is considerably higher, typically over ten years for MLC NAND based SSDs. If you buy a drive today and stash it away, the drive itself will become totally obsolete quicker than it will lose its data. Besides, given the cost of SSDs, it's not cost efficient to use them for cold storage anyway, so if you're looking to archive data I would recommend going with hard drives for cost reasons alone.
    Here's a link to the JEDEC presentation.

    https://www.jedec.org/sites/default/files/Alvin_Cox%20%5bCompatibility%20Mode%5d_0.pdf

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    nice but still expensive. hopefully consumer ones come out soon near the £200 mark, and they use the same tech to make 2.5" 9mm drives bigger than 2tb

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/...gin-lose-data/

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/solid-...st-a-few-days/

    https://www.micron.com/about/blogs/2...ention-in-ssds

    Are some - there are others. Equally there are some articles that say it is rubbish - but on balance it seems that there is a risk of data loss if theSSD is left unpowered for an extended period of time.
    Hmmm, never knew that. Didn't have an issue with an SSD I didn't use for 6 months+ retaining data though, so guess it's a case of take with a pinch of salt and usage scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Hmmm, never knew that. Didn't have an issue with an SSD I didn't use for 6 months+ retaining data though, so guess it's a case of take with a pinch of salt and usage scenarios.
    No, and most people won't but it worth noting that SSDs aren't the cure for everything or the best thing since sliced bread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    No, and most people won't but it worth noting that SSDs aren't the cure for everything or the best thing since sliced bread!
    Nothing is better than sliced bread! (well... maybe....)

    For long term storage, I probably wouldn't be inclined to use an SSD oddly. I'd probably still opt for spinning disks if it was going to be powered down, even more so in light of what I've learned in this topic.

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    Re: Seagate unveils 14TB HDD portfolio

    Well the prices of the 10 and 12tb ironwolfs have dropped by about half a percent, presumably off the back of this, hopefully they'll drop a bit more once it goes to retail.

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