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These things are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and the feedback effects are causing even more issues. I much prefer a key with a transponder.
Ah-hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
At this rate we'll never get electric cars....
every person with keylass entry in the world should always ensure they don't leave their keys near the public facing part of their house.
The amount of scanners available to locate the keyless signalfrom your house, and then transmit it / replicate it to the car on the drive is unending.
Tesla is just the most recent to fall over with it.
These are transponder keys.Quote:
Originally Posted by philehidiot
They just used an incredibly short key length allowing for a rainbow table.
This is a major problem with cars in the US at the moment. My inlaws had their car broken into with something similar at San Diego Zoo. Apparently they have gangs going around with some sort universal unlocking devices who then are able to nick your stuff without any evidence that anyone has been in the car.
Do people not follow "They stole my wheels" on Facebook, theres videos weekly of people walking up to the front of a house with a signal booster and then someone else by the car, Ford are a particular favorite for this, manufacturers have known about it for ages and yet dont seem to be doing much about it, not that I have seen in the media anyways...
So they can steal the car, they just need a copy of the key? Uh.... okay. That's... kinda how locks are meant to work, key fits, lock opens. How is this newsworthy? Aside from dogpiling onto Tesla seems to have become a passtime for the media.
But normally to copy a mechanical key, you need to have physical access to it, and the appropriate blank or some form of machine tool. With a transponder key - you don't - so you need a strong encryption/(crypto)key management system.Quote:
Originally Posted by aidanjt
But I agree - with Tesla in the story, it makes for a more attractive headline for the media.
Sorry, I fail how this how anything to do with electric cars in general? As mentioned in posts above, this is a problem that all car manufacturers can face if they use these keyless entry methods. This is more a problem of how immature Tesla is as a car manfacturer (along with a long list of other issues they have).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
There are always some luddites who will grab anything to resist the inevitable! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gerrard
Sorry, I meant a physical key that goes in a lock and requires a transponder within the key (did they use RFID type stuff for that?) and only the combination of the key and the transponder will allow the vehicle to start. The range is a few inches and this kind of thing just isn't a risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
Nor does the battery in the key go flat.
And to steal a physical key operated car without the key is a mammoth task these days.
The ONLY advantage to this is that the thieves now no longer break into your house to steal your car keys, they can do it without the extra hassle for both you and them.
You also have to remember that with keyless ignition, the vehicle will start if it's in range and then will carry on running until the ignition is switched off even if they key moves out of range (this is definitely the case with motorbikes). Consider that when you're sat near your car in the pub.
Aaaaaand this is why you never buy a car that doesn't have a real key, or a real ignition lock. Would have thought Tesla would have learned from the early days of keyfob thefts in the 80s and 90s.
And... yahknow... all through the 2000s.
When will these wannabe-Apple companies learn that Security Through Obscurity is a BAD IDEA! Even Apple has finally had to concede that security through obscurity doesn't work.
I have two problems with keyless entry. Do you ever really know your car is locked, other than if the mirrors fold in, or something similar?
Secondly, where do you put the key once you're in the car? Right behind the steering wheel, in a barrel, is an absolutely ideal storage place. It's locked in position, always there and easy to remove.
I can't personally see any reason why people would choose keyless entry as an option on their new car purchases. It's a £300 option on a VW Golf. £300!
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Originally Posted by Hoonigan
I have keyless entry and keyless start and you know what it’s lead to? A 5 minute search of the car to work out what I did with my keys when I got in the car. It’s a solution looking for a problem IMO.
ftfy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoonigan
Nah, I wouldn't call it a waste of money, because some people might have a genuine use for keyless entry, but I'd much rather spend that £300 on something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by badass
Pretty certain people have been doing this to keyless entry cars for years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster
Keep the key in your pocket? I thought the point was that you don't need to go searching for your key when you've got a handful of shopping bags and that?Quote:
Originally Posted by b0redom
That said, I'm not convinced, I laughed at my missus when she wrapped her key in foil to prevent this, but it seems to be a lot of hassle to protect against theft. I might have to do a test to find out the distance it works from, then make sure we keep the key further than that from the front of the house...
FYI - we didn't pay for keyless, it was standard equipment on the car we got.
My girlfriend's old car, a Kia Sportage, came with keyless entry as standard. I'm not a big fan of manufacturers pushing it on people, for this exact reason. Unless pin codes are added in the vehicle, or something similar, then there's always a risk of someone scanning your key and driving away in your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smudger
It's just one more reason to hate them, since so many of them seem to think it's a selling point and endeavour to force it upon us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerrard
Oh, so it's inevitable and we should just accept it instead of fighting for better options?Quote:
Originally Posted by peterb
Great. Nvidia will be delighted to hear that you'll be wasting so much money on a Quad-SLI of their inevitable next rip-off GPU!
Being inevitable doesn't mean it's any good.
Pretty sure that's also why I've never gotten a keyless car...Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorZod
They shouldn't be possible to clone. That's the idea of a rotating key.Quote:
Originally Posted by aidanjt
If you'd read the article, it was only 40bit length, so a rainbow could be produced. No one should have made a 40bit keylength in 2000, let alone 2017.
No this is different, this is cloning, those scanners just relay the data, this is much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zak33
used to be able to open and start my brother`s ford (don`t remember model) with a lollipop stick, not that you`d want to nick the poc.Quote:
Originally Posted by [GSV