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    Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Security system opens to cloned key fob but an added PIN feature might help secure the cars.
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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    These things are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and the feedback effects are causing even more issues. I much prefer a key with a transponder.

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Ah-hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

    At this rate we'll never get electric cars....

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    every person with keylass entry in the world should always ensure they don't leave their keys near the public facing part of their house.
    The amount of scanners available to locate the keyless signalfrom your house, and then transmit it / replicate it to the car on the drive is unending.

    Tesla is just the most recent to fall over with it.

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    These things are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and the feedback effects are causing even more issues. I much prefer a key with a transponder.
    These are transponder keys.

    They just used an incredibly short key length allowing for a rainbow table.
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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    This is a major problem with cars in the US at the moment. My inlaws had their car broken into with something similar at San Diego Zoo. Apparently they have gangs going around with some sort universal unlocking devices who then are able to nick your stuff without any evidence that anyone has been in the car.

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Do people not follow "They stole my wheels" on Facebook, theres videos weekly of people walking up to the front of a house with a signal booster and then someone else by the car, Ford are a particular favorite for this, manufacturers have known about it for ages and yet dont seem to be doing much about it, not that I have seen in the media anyways...

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    So they can steal the car, they just need a copy of the key? Uh.... okay. That's... kinda how locks are meant to work, key fits, lock opens. How is this newsworthy? Aside from dogpiling onto Tesla seems to have become a passtime for the media.
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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    So they can steal the car, they just need a copy of the key? Uh.... okay. That's... kinda how locks are meant to work, key fits, lock opens. How is this newsworthy? Aside from dogpiling onto Tesla seems to have become a passtime for the media.
    But normally to copy a mechanical key, you need to have physical access to it, and the appropriate blank or some form of machine tool. With a transponder key - you don't - so you need a strong encryption/(crypto)key management system.

    But I agree - with Tesla in the story, it makes for a more attractive headline for the media.
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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Ah-hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

    At this rate we'll never get electric cars....
    Sorry, I fail how this how anything to do with electric cars in general? As mentioned in posts above, this is a problem that all car manufacturers can face if they use these keyless entry methods. This is more a problem of how immature Tesla is as a car manfacturer (along with a long list of other issues they have).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerrard View Post
    Sorry, I fail how this how anything to do with electric cars in general? As mentioned in posts above, this is a problem that all car manufacturers can face if they use these keyless entry methods. This is more a problem of how immature Tesla is as a car manfacturer (along with a long list of other issues they have).
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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    These are transponder keys.

    They just used an incredibly short key length allowing for a rainbow table.
    Sorry, I meant a physical key that goes in a lock and requires a transponder within the key (did they use RFID type stuff for that?) and only the combination of the key and the transponder will allow the vehicle to start. The range is a few inches and this kind of thing just isn't a risk.

    Nor does the battery in the key go flat.

    And to steal a physical key operated car without the key is a mammoth task these days.

    The ONLY advantage to this is that the thieves now no longer break into your house to steal your car keys, they can do it without the extra hassle for both you and them.

    You also have to remember that with keyless ignition, the vehicle will start if it's in range and then will carry on running until the ignition is switched off even if they key moves out of range (this is definitely the case with motorbikes). Consider that when you're sat near your car in the pub.

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Aaaaaand this is why you never buy a car that doesn't have a real key, or a real ignition lock. Would have thought Tesla would have learned from the early days of keyfob thefts in the 80s and 90s.

    And... yahknow... all through the 2000s.

    When will these wannabe-Apple companies learn that Security Through Obscurity is a BAD IDEA! Even Apple has finally had to concede that security through obscurity doesn't work.

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    I have two problems with keyless entry. Do you ever really know your car is locked, other than if the mirrors fold in, or something similar?

    Secondly, where do you put the key once you're in the car? Right behind the steering wheel, in a barrel, is an absolutely ideal storage place. It's locked in position, always there and easy to remove.

    I can't personally see any reason why people would choose keyless entry as an option on their new car purchases. It's a £300 option on a VW Golf. £300!

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoonigan View Post
    I have two problems with keyless entry. Do you ever really know your car is locked, other than if the mirrors fold in, or something similar?

    Secondly, where do you put the key once you're in the car? Right behind the steering wheel, in a barrel, is an absolutely ideal storage place. It's locked in position, always there and easy to remove.

    I can't personally see any reason why people would choose keyless entry as an option on their new car purchases. It's a £300 option on a VW Golf. £300!
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    I have keyless entry and keyless start and you know what it’s lead to? A 5 minute search of the car to work out what I did with my keys when I got in the car. It’s a solution looking for a problem IMO.

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    Re: Belgian researchers can steal a Tesla Model S in seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by hoonigan View Post
    i have two problems with keyless entry. Do you ever really know your car is locked, other than if the mirrors fold in, or something similar?

    Secondly, where do you put the key once you're in the car? Right behind the steering wheel, in a barrel, is an absolutely ideal storage place. It's locked in position, always there and easy to remove.

    I can't personally see any reason why people would choose keyless entry as an option on their new car purchases. It's a £300 complete waste of money on a vw golf. £300!
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